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   Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-May-2023 06:47:43 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯
   This is not to say that the vaccines can't cause cancer, or that they don't cause cardiac problems, either at the 1-in-100,000 or more frequently. But if they *do* this starts to limit how much: these studies should have picked up more problems if they were half as bad as some people here think.
   
   > Recent study: no increase in death (cardiac or all causes) in ages 12-29 after mRNA vaccination. There was an increase in cardiac and all cause deaths after a SARS-CoV-2 infection. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-36494-0
   
   > Another study showed non-COVID-19 mortality rates were lower among COVID-19 vaccinated patients. There was no increased risk after vaccination.
   https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X22015614
   
   > Another study showed higher vaccinated states had lower excess deaths compared to lower vaccinated states in the US.
   https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2798990
   
   > Population wide study in Hungary showed less all cause mortality in the vaccinated cohort.
   https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9319484/
   
   > Study of almost 7 million people found no increase in all cause deaths after three COVID vaccines. Seven. Million.
   https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9763207/
   
   > Study of 6.4 million people also found no increase in all cause mortality among the vaccinated.
   https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8553028/
   
   > So much for “turbo cancer”
   >> COVID-19 vaccines did not cause an increase in cancer deaths
   https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/covid-19-vaccines-did-not-cause-an-increase-in-cancer-deaths/
   
   https://twitter.com/DrCanuckMD/status/1656784538541101057
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-May-2023 06:48:01 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯

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     Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺 (ned@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Saturday, 13-May-2023 06:48:01 JST Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺

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     @jeffcliff @mike805 @JonnyFever @caekislove @Hoss @sj_zero true. Gaining "sentience" is a bit of a stretch.

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     Caek Islove ? ❤️ (caekislove@gleasonator.com)'s status on Saturday, 13-May-2023 06:48:02 JST Caek Islove ? ❤️

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     @Hoss @JonnyFever @mike805 @jeffcliff @sj_zero After the 6th injection, the bill gates vaccine nanomachines formed a colony and gained sentience! 😍
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     Hoss Delgado (hoss@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Saturday, 13-May-2023 06:48:03 JST Hoss Delgado

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     There is no Jeff anymore. The vaccine has assumed control of all his mental faculties.
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     Fever (jonnyfever@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Saturday, 13-May-2023 06:48:04 JST Fever

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     Jeff, nearly everyone on Fedi is BASED in reality. We got kicked off of normie platforms for telling normies that the vaccine is a death jab, which it is.
     Snap out of it.
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-May-2023 06:48:05 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯

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     > you will find there is no reliable source of truth.
     
     This isn't true, generally or specifically with vaccine health effects. You are being buffaloed by the antivaxxers.
     
     > There are two sets of sources with wildly different data, divergent analysis of the same studies,
     
     Yeah. It amounts to "jews come up with X"
     "but they are jews".
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     mike805 (mike805@fosstodon.org)'s status on Saturday, 13-May-2023 06:48:05 JST mike805

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     @jeffcliff @sj_zero If they try to research these topics, most people will just go away more confused than they started out, and probably do nothing.

     Each side will say "you cannot listen to those (greedy pharma people/irrational anti-vaxxers).

     Other than using violence to suppress one side or the other (which some people want) there doesn't seem to be any way to drive this toward honest consensus.

     Same for the other political issues. Humans just cannot reason about tribal identity markers.

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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-May-2023 06:48:05 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯

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     > If they try to research these topics, most people will just go away more confused than they started out, and probably do nothing.
     
     more FUD
     
     > Other than using violence to suppress one side or the other (which some people want) there doesn't seem to be any way to drive this toward honest consensus.
     
     The first step is for people to acknowledge reality. Which the antivaxxers almost never do.
     
     > Same for the other political issues. Humans just cannot reason about tribal identity markers.
     
     Sure we can. And vaccines are not a tribal identity marker, unless you make it one.
     
     generally: you're speaking as if the past 2 years haven't happened. This sort of reasoning went out the window as soon as actual hard data on what the vaccine, and covid does came out.
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-May-2023 06:48:06 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯

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     > Given the biggest power and money grab in the history of the world
     
     That's a stretch
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     mike805 (mike805@fosstodon.org)'s status on Saturday, 13-May-2023 06:48:06 JST mike805

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     @jeffcliff @sj_zero When you try to research politically hot topics (COVID vaccine health effects, transgender medical treatment health effects, and global warming are big ones) you will find there is no reliable source of truth.

     There are two sets of sources with wildly different data, divergent analysis of the same studies, and a tendency to kick out anyone who is not on side.

     And both sides of each debate are willing to fudge data to prove their points.

     Maybe AI will resolve this someday?

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     sj_zero (sj_zero@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Saturday, 13-May-2023 06:48:07 JST sj_zero

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     Considering that we know what they do to wrong thinkers, how could you possibly believe anything that's written in any of those journals anyway?
     
     There were published studies showing that cigarettes didn't cause cancer because the cigarette companies were pushing the needle for their own benefit. Given the biggest power and money grab in the history of the world, this particular lobby is a lot stronger than the cigarette companies.