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    Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 11:09:49 JST Chris Trottier Chris Trottier
    • John Gruber

    Hey @gruber, how will #Bluesky be tangibly different from Mastodon?

    Because with what Bluesky devs are telling me, defederation with AT protocol should be possible.

    It would be incredible on Bluesky’s part if a server couldn’t defederate.

    https://mastodon.social/@gruber/110328355532624579

    In conversation Monday, 08-May-2023 11:09:49 JST from mastodon.social permalink

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      John Gruber (@gruber@mastodon.social)
      from John Gruber
      Perfect example of one of the dozen or so reasons why Mastodon is doomed to relative obscurity and Bluesky is going to thrive: petulant nannyism: https://federate.social/@mattblaze/110317006852580015
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      Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 11:12:14 JST Chris Trottier Chris Trottier
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      • John Gruber

      Seriously, what’s with the doomerism on @gruber’s part?

      Apparently, everything is “doomed” if things don’t follow his precise prescription for how things should be.

      I, myself, criticize Mastodon. Quite often, in fact. But calling it “doomed”? That’s a stretch.

      In conversation Monday, 08-May-2023 11:12:14 JST permalink
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      Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 11:14:49 JST Chris Trottier Chris Trottier
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      • John Gruber

      Seriously, @gruber, Mastodon is a non-profit taking on a corporation with $13 million in funding.

      This shouldn’t be a competition, but it is.

      There’s no excuse for #Bluesky to be working on this since 2019—with full-time staff, I might add—and not be beating Mastodon to a pulp.

      Yet, it’s Bluesky who’s playing catch-up here. Let’s be honest.

      In conversation Monday, 08-May-2023 11:14:49 JST permalink
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      Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 11:19:07 JST Chris Trottier Chris Trottier
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      • John Gruber

      And @gruber keeps talking about how “easy” #Bluesky is.

      Is that true? Or is he just in the honeymoon phase with the new shiny thing?

      Because if I’m being bluntly honest, there’s a lot that’s not “easy” about Bluesky, for example. Search, for example.

      Or how about the fact Bluesky doesn’t even have a URL shortened yet?

      And why does no one talk about this?!

      In conversation Monday, 08-May-2023 11:19:07 JST permalink
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      Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 11:22:18 JST Chris Trottier Chris Trottier
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      • John Gruber

      The other thing about @gruber is that he refuses to try any other ActivityPub project except Mastodon.

      Yeah, I’ve told him about other projects—and he acknowledges they exist.

      But he refuses to try them because he says they just cater to the “lowest common denominator”.

      Really? What’s so “lowest common denominator” about WordPress, Akkoma, Calckey, Friendica, Writely, /kbin, etc.?

      In conversation Monday, 08-May-2023 11:22:18 JST permalink
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      Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 11:26:12 JST Chris Trottier Chris Trottier
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      • John Gruber

      Here’s what I don’t get. @gruber sees the 100+ projects that use #ActivityPub, the 25,000 nodes, 11 million users—says it’s all doomed—because one server threatened to defederate due to spite.

      In conversation Monday, 08-May-2023 11:26:12 JST permalink
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      Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 11:30:10 JST Chris Trottier Chris Trottier
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      • John Gruber

      “Petulant nannyism” is why @gruber says that “Mastodon” (he means the Fediverse) is doomed.

      Well, good thing @gruber doesn’t call the shots here.

      If he were the Fediverse’s nanny, @gruber would drown it in the bathtub.

      In conversation Monday, 08-May-2023 11:30:10 JST permalink
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      Luis Carlos (luiscarlosgonzalez@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 11:31:58 JST Luis Carlos Luis Carlos
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      • John Gruber

      @atomicpoet @gruber Ah words of a fediversal dictator...

      In conversation Monday, 08-May-2023 11:31:58 JST permalink
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      Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 11:39:34 JST Chris Trottier Chris Trottier
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      • John Gruber
      • Laura Lis Scott

      @LLS @gruber Or to put it another way, if he were Mastodon’s dog walker, he’d shoot it.

      In conversation Monday, 08-May-2023 11:39:34 JST permalink
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      Laura Lis Scott (lls@wandering.shop)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 11:39:35 JST Laura Lis Scott Laura Lis Scott
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      • John Gruber

      @atomicpoet @gruber
      Interesting use of a gendered term as an epithet

      In conversation Monday, 08-May-2023 11:39:35 JST permalink
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      aardvark (aardvark@ioc.exchange)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 11:41:20 JST aardvark aardvark
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      • John Gruber

      @atomicpoet @gruber cite? (Googling didn’t find it on df)

      In conversation Monday, 08-May-2023 11:41:20 JST permalink
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      Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 11:41:20 JST Chris Trottier Chris Trottier
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      • John Gruber
      • aardvark

      @aardvark @gruber Read the entirety of this thread.

      In conversation Monday, 08-May-2023 11:41:20 JST permalink
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      Elias Mårtenson (loke@functional.cafe)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 12:14:23 JST Elias Mårtenson Elias Mårtenson
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      @atomicpoet You have to understand where he's coming from.

      He's very used to attaching himself to something, and then strongly identifying with that thing. This is of course true for the Apple stuff, but for the longest time it was Twitter, until it wasn't tenable anymore.

      Twitter really suited him, since it very well matches his blogging style (quite something and add a few sentences of sometimes snarky commentary)

      Twitter was definitely part of his "rise to fame" so to speak, since it amplified his blog posts, so being forced off the platform cannot have been easy.

      I remember when G+ came out, and he made a single post on there pretty early, with a single sentence where he proclaimed he didn't enjoy it. Note that this was long before G+ actually failed.

      So what do you do when your megaphone has been shut off? You go looking for another one. If your replacement megaphone has the property that it can be silenced by a nearby neighbourhood that doesn't want to hear it, you'll be upset.

      In conversation Monday, 08-May-2023 12:14:23 JST permalink

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      Gorba (gorba@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 09-May-2023 07:53:30 JST Gorba Gorba
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      • John Gruber

      @atomicpoet @gruber it was here doing just fine before most people heard about it because of the Twitter craziness it got a huge boost, it will do just fine. It doesn’t have to be the Twitter clone people think they want

      In conversation Tuesday, 09-May-2023 07:53:30 JST permalink

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