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   Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 11:09:49 JST Chris Trottier

   • John Gruber

   Hey @gruber, how will #Bluesky be tangibly different from Mastodon?

   Because with what Bluesky devs are telling me, defederation with AT protocol should be possible.

   It would be incredible on Bluesky’s part if a server couldn’t defederate.

   https://mastodon.social/@gruber/110328355532624579

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 11:12:14 JST Chris Trottier

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     • John Gruber

     Seriously, what’s with the doomerism on @gruber’s part?

     Apparently, everything is “doomed” if things don’t follow his precise prescription for how things should be.

     I, myself, criticize Mastodon. Quite often, in fact. But calling it “doomed”? That’s a stretch.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 11:14:49 JST Chris Trottier

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     • John Gruber

     Seriously, @gruber, Mastodon is a non-profit taking on a corporation with $13 million in funding.

     This shouldn’t be a competition, but it is.

     There’s no excuse for #Bluesky to be working on this since 2019—with full-time staff, I might add—and not be beating Mastodon to a pulp.

     Yet, it’s Bluesky who’s playing catch-up here. Let’s be honest.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 11:19:07 JST Chris Trottier

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     • John Gruber

     And @gruber keeps talking about how “easy” #Bluesky is.

     Is that true? Or is he just in the honeymoon phase with the new shiny thing?

     Because if I’m being bluntly honest, there’s a lot that’s not “easy” about Bluesky, for example. Search, for example.

     Or how about the fact Bluesky doesn’t even have a URL shortened yet?

     And why does no one talk about this?!

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 11:22:18 JST Chris Trottier

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     • John Gruber

     The other thing about @gruber is that he refuses to try any other ActivityPub project except Mastodon.

     Yeah, I’ve told him about other projects—and he acknowledges they exist.

     But he refuses to try them because he says they just cater to the “lowest common denominator”.

     Really? What’s so “lowest common denominator” about WordPress, Akkoma, Calckey, Friendica, Writely, /kbin, etc.?

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 11:26:12 JST Chris Trottier

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     • John Gruber

     Here’s what I don’t get. @gruber sees the 100+ projects that use #ActivityPub, the 25,000 nodes, 11 million users—says it’s all doomed—because one server threatened to defederate due to spite.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 11:30:10 JST Chris Trottier

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     • John Gruber

     “Petulant nannyism” is why @gruber says that “Mastodon” (he means the Fediverse) is doomed.

     Well, good thing @gruber doesn’t call the shots here.

     If he were the Fediverse’s nanny, @gruber would drown it in the bathtub.

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     Luis Carlos (luiscarlosgonzalez@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 11:31:58 JST Luis Carlos

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     • John Gruber

     @atomicpoet @gruber Ah words of a fediversal dictator...

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 11:39:34 JST Chris Trottier

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     • Laura Lis Scott

     @LLS @gruber Or to put it another way, if he were Mastodon’s dog walker, he’d shoot it.

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     Laura Lis Scott (lls@wandering.shop)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 11:39:35 JST Laura Lis Scott

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     • John Gruber

     @atomicpoet @gruber
     Interesting use of a gendered term as an epithet

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     aardvark (aardvark@ioc.exchange)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 11:41:20 JST aardvark

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     • John Gruber

     @atomicpoet @gruber cite? (Googling didn’t find it on df)

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 11:41:20 JST Chris Trottier

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     • John Gruber
     • aardvark

     @aardvark @gruber Read the entirety of this thread.

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     Elias Mårtenson (loke@functional.cafe)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 12:14:23 JST Elias Mårtenson

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     @atomicpoet You have to understand where he's coming from.

     He's very used to attaching himself to something, and then strongly identifying with that thing. This is of course true for the Apple stuff, but for the longest time it was Twitter, until it wasn't tenable anymore.

     Twitter really suited him, since it very well matches his blogging style (quite something and add a few sentences of sometimes snarky commentary)

     Twitter was definitely part of his "rise to fame" so to speak, since it amplified his blog posts, so being forced off the platform cannot have been easy.

     I remember when G+ came out, and he made a single post on there pretty early, with a single sentence where he proclaimed he didn't enjoy it. Note that this was long before G+ actually failed.

     So what do you do when your megaphone has been shut off? You go looking for another one. If your replacement megaphone has the property that it can be silenced by a nearby neighbourhood that doesn't want to hear it, you'll be upset.

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     Gorba (gorba@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 09-May-2023 07:53:30 JST Gorba

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     • John Gruber

     @atomicpoet @gruber it was here doing just fine before most people heard about it because of the Twitter craziness it got a huge boost, it will do just fine. It doesn’t have to be the Twitter clone people think they want