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   Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 10:28:26 JST Chris Trottier

   What will be the tangible difference between the BGS that #Bluesky is making for AT protocol and a *really* well-connected relay operated with #ActivityPub?

   The more I think about it, the more I don’t know.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 10:35:04 JST Chris Trottier

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     Okay, I got an answer from Jake Gold, who works at #Bluesky.

     A BGS has relay functionality, but it also stores and indexes data too.

     Basically, a BGS is Google.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 10:39:28 JST Chris Trottier

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     • Sir Rochard 'Dock' Bunson

     @SrRochardBunson Yep, Bluesky acknowledges a BGS will be out of reach for most people.

     They do say that a PDS-to-PDS connection is possible, and that should be affordable.

     However, it’s the BGS that will be utilized for the app view.

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     Sir Rochard 'Dock' Bunson (srrochardbunson@universeodon.com)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 10:39:29 JST Sir Rochard 'Dock' Bunson

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     @atomicpoet So..it will probably cost way more than running a #Calckey instance?

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 10:42:59 JST Chris Trottier

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     • Rumblestiltskin

     @TheVoyageur Eh, it’s more complex than that.

     #Bluesky envisions that there will be multiple PDS (personal data server) which connects to a BGS, which then connects to an app view that filters the data through a relevancy algorithm.

     To give an analogy, it’s like operating a single user Pleroma server that connects to mastodon.social, which then lets a client (I think) parse the data from the BGS.

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     Rumblestiltskin (thevoyageur@mas.to)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 10:43:00 JST Rumblestiltskin

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     @atomicpoet Every Mastodon or Calckey is essentially a BGS in the Fediverse too. It collects and serves all the streams to local accounts.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 10:45:04 JST Chris Trottier

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     • Darnell Clayton :verified:

     @darnell Yeah, it will be tough for devs to adopt AT protocol.

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     Darnell Clayton :verified: (darnell@one.darnell.one)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 10:45:06 JST Darnell Clayton :verified:

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     @atomicpoet Is it me, or does #ATProtocol appear unnecessarily complex‽ At least for the foundational aspect of what #BlueSky is trying to do‽ #ActivityPub might not be advanced, but it’s simple enough for the average non-tech person to understand (even if they do not understand the “how” of the #Fediverse).

     Reminds me of a scene from #Matrix:

     https://youtu.be/MCbXhsXYkPM

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 10:55:00 JST Chris Trottier

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     So I’m right. A BGS is basically Google.

     Theoretically, that can happen with #ActivityPub too. It’s just not everyone wants this.

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     Codesmith (codesmith@techhub.social)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 10:59:48 JST Codesmith

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     • Darnell Clayton :verified:

     @darnell @atomicpoet I believe the ATProtocol is exactly as complex as is required for what they are really trying to do. Which is, I believe, extend surveillance capitalism but escape the (already minimal) regulations surrounding it while outsourcing a bunch of the running costs.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 10:59:48 JST Chris Trottier

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     • Darnell Clayton :verified:
     • Codesmith

     @codesmith @darnell Bluesky originally came to exist so Twitter wouldn’t be liable for publishing tweets.