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   MattZ (colinsmatt11@gleasonator.com)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 20:47:09 JST MattZ
   I think the biggest mistake done by Dr Stallman was choosing Linux as the kernel for the GNU operating system.
   
   And we are facing the consequences of that mistake to this very day.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 20:47:07 JST 翠星石

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     @colinsmatt11 rms didn't set out to make a Unix clone - he set out to write a free software OS, that happens to be mostly compatible with Unix, but GNU's Not Unix.
     
     The Unix design of having individual programs that do one task made development feasible - they just have to replace the malware piece by piece and eventually a fully free software OS was made.
     
     Unix is a mostly sane OS design and it does work - the main problem is that all Unix implementations were and still are, proprietary malware.
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     Christian Lynbech (mapcar@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 20:47:08 JST Christian Lynbech

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     @colinsmatt11 @screwtape I am pretty sure that GNU Hurd was the original plan; if it is Linux now, it has been forced upon GNU by the neverending development story of the Hurd kernel.

     Should we criticize Stallman, it should be for the decision to start the GNU project with doing GCC and friends. It is a big question if the Linux kernel (and countless other free C-based UNIX utilities) had happened at all, if not for there being a gratis high-quality C development system.

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     MattZ (colinsmatt11@gleasonator.com)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 20:47:08 JST MattZ

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     @mapcar @screwtape I would criticize Dr Stallman and I do, afterall it was his decision to make a Unix clone because it seemed like a sane base to him at that time.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 21:23:56 JST 翠星石

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     @colinsmatt11 Replacing Unix with the very different GNU was a mistake?
     
     Well, do you know of a good OS design?
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     MattZ (colinsmatt11@gleasonator.com)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 21:23:57 JST MattZ

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     @Suiseiseki I know that I goal was to make a Free software OS but the choice of Unix was a mistake.
     
     Nobody can convince me that Unix is even remotely sane OS design. It's incoherent mess of DSLs in name of composiblity.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 21:44:17 JST 翠星石

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     @sallyNULL The Berne Convention applies to most countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention?useskin=monobook
     
     The only places I know of where you can publish something "creative" and not have it become automatically proprietary is Palestine.
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     MattZ (colinsmatt11@gleasonator.com)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 21:44:18 JST MattZ

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     @sallyNULL @mapcar @screwtape Makes sense then. Because copyright is given by default and it's all rights reserved unless stated otherwise.
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     𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (sallynull@gleasonator.com)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 21:44:18 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙

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     @mapcar @screwtape @colinsmatt11
     @mapcar @screwtape
     
     Pretty sure only the US and a few western countries (Germany?) enforce copyright that way, but then again, there's that Berne bullcrap around so i wouldn't be surprised everyone defaults to all rights reserved.
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     𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (sallynull@gleasonator.com)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 21:44:19 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙

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     @mapcar @screwtape @colinsmatt11
     @mapcar @screwtape
     
     Fun fact, Hyperbola team considers software under the unlicense to be unacceptable and are also removing any software that has it. Made me chuckle when i saw that.
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     MattZ (colinsmatt11@gleasonator.com)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 21:44:19 JST MattZ

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     @sallyNULL @mapcar @screwtape unlicense (without a license) or tihs https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/License:TheUnlicense
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     𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (sallynull@gleasonator.com)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 21:44:19 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙

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     @mapcar @screwtape @colinsmatt11
     @mapcar @screwtape
     
     First one.
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     MattZ (colinsmatt11@gleasonator.com)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 21:44:20 JST MattZ

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     @screwtape @mapcar I believe Hyperbola is currently moving away from Linux (-libre) to their own fork of openbsd kernel.
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     𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (sallynull@gleasonator.com)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 21:44:20 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙

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     @mapcar @screwtape @colinsmatt11
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     > I believe Hyperbola is currently moving away from Linux (-libre) to their own fork of openbsd kernel.
     
     
     That's correct. As a matter of fact they already deblobbed the BSD kernel, they're messing around with userspace now, the release is near.
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     screwlisp (screwtape@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 21:44:21 JST screwlisp

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     @colinsmatt11 @mapcar withstanding that to an extent #BSD is better, and that distributions of GNU / linux have courted re-kernelling to openbsd or something, a world without gnu compiler collection and its compiled / host linux kernel would be so radically different to today I don't know what to say about it except that we should obviously use lisp machines whatever the case. I believe GNU Hurd is sort-of actively developed, though I haven't played with it.