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   Christine Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@octodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Apr-2023 09:23:41 JST Christine Lemmer-Webber

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   @mhoye @emacsomancer Emacs precedes most contemporary UI. Has its own universe of ideas and terms. It's a big payoff if you're willing to immerse yourself. One must achieve the mental state to wish to become one with emacs to become so :)

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     mhoye (mhoye@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Apr-2023 09:23:42 JST mhoye

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     @cwebber @emacsomancer I’m finding myself dead-ending in this manual almost immediately. Open emacs, got it, see “emacs manual” cool, pick that… and I’m in the Coreutils manual for… some reason? And the _opening paragraph_ of the coreutils manual explicitly states, if you’re a novice you are on your own. If I open “browse manuals” the “basics” section includes date input formats, coreutils twice and gnu chess but no, like, edit a file.

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     mhoye (mhoye@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Apr-2023 09:23:42 JST mhoye

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     I love how the opening page of the tutorial damn near screams ”you aren’t going to be able to learn this on your own.“

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     Christine Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@octodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Apr-2023 09:23:43 JST Christine Lemmer-Webber

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     @mhoye @emacsomancer You might appreciate the Systems Crafters videos.

     IMO the manuals are really good... if you can learn to read them in Info, and learn the style of how to read them. But it's counter-intuitive to how most manuals are read or learned. Occasionally opening and flipping through the manual to look at subjects is how I learned tons of emacs stuff... but also emacswiki, the #emacs irc channel, and a lot of patience.

     These days I'd recommend watching the Systems Crafters videos as a way of getting started/immersed though.

     But really unlocking Emacs is a matter of learning how Emacs wants you to learn. Emacs provides an *incredible* amount of self-documentation. But learning to access that is weird.

     `C-h h` is your friend though.

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     mhoye (mhoye@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Apr-2023 09:23:44 JST mhoye

     @emacsomancer the built in manuals are cartoonishly bad. I’m trying the tutorial now, and it is not good.