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    ted byfield (tb@tldr.nettime.org)'s status on Friday, 14-Apr-2023 22:46:53 JST ted byfield ted byfield

    Every once in a while a top-notch observation disguised as a meme comes around, and I think this is one.

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      Textzicke (textzicke@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 14-Apr-2023 22:48:01 JST Textzicke Textzicke
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      • wannabe axolotl
      • Josh
      • Wenzel

      @axolotl @jduncanator @tb @stairjoke (Pssst: Don‘t waste time seeking logic in gun fan‘s thinking. ?)

      In conversation Friday, 14-Apr-2023 22:48:01 JST permalink
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      Josh (jduncanator@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 14-Apr-2023 22:48:03 JST Josh Josh
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      • wannabe axolotl
      • Wenzel

      @tb @axolotl @stairjoke But didn’t you just contradict your own argument? You openly admit that the majority of mass shootings are perpetrated by the right, who also happen to be the ones who own the most guns and advocate against gun control. So wouldn’t the logical deduction be that, it seems, the community with gun control (and less guns overall) also seem to have less mass shootings?

      In conversation Friday, 14-Apr-2023 22:48:03 JST permalink
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      wannabe axolotl (axolotl@kolektiva.social)'s status on Friday, 14-Apr-2023 22:48:04 JST wannabe axolotl wannabe axolotl
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      • Wenzel

      @stairjoke @tb the US is a paradox because many of the people that most urgently need to prepare to defend themselves and their communities from racists and neo-nazis are the ones who want gun control most. Its well known that the vast majority of mass shootings are caused by the right.
      Meanwhile Cherán, Mexico, is now one of the safest areas in the country. 13 years ago it was one of the most dangerous thanks to Narco and military violence. What happened 13 years ago? The people armed themselves and kicked out the police, politicians and narcos from their community. Their quality of life has also gone up considerably, not just because of the lack of violence but its amazing the services and infrastructure that can be funded when the government isn't stealing the majority of the peoples resources.
      What the people of Cheran did can be accomplished by any community in the world given enough will and organization.

      Sources:
      (gun violence in the us) https://www.axios.com/2023/02/23/mass-killings-extremism-adl-report-2022

      (just look up Cherán for more info. also i have been there and can personally vouch for their badassness)
      https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-37612083

      *edited for typos

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      Wenzel (stairjoke@indieweb.social)'s status on Friday, 14-Apr-2023 22:48:10 JST Wenzel Wenzel
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      • wannabe axolotl

      @axolotl @tb I just don’t think that violence is the solution for inequality. I don’t see the guns in the US solving racism, freeing suppressed minorities, or lifting people out of poverty. Its not like guns appeared yesterday, they’ve been around a while, and the US has not been getting less racist or more equal because of them. What is your thinking here?

      Thanks for the link.

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      wannabe axolotl (axolotl@kolektiva.social)'s status on Friday, 14-Apr-2023 22:48:11 JST wannabe axolotl wannabe axolotl
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      • Wenzel

      @stairjoke @tb no, governments are for maintaining the status quo and privileges, things you must benefit from if your cool with racist police being armed but not minorities.
      Source for the graphic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation#Europe

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        Overview of gun laws by nation
        Gun laws and policies, collectively referred to as firearms regulation or gun control, regulate the manufacture, sale, transfer, possession, modification, and use of small arms by civilians. Laws of some countries may afford civilians a right to keep and bear arms, and have more liberal gun laws than neighboring jurisdictions. Countries that regulate access to firearms will typically restrict access to certain categories of firearms and then restrict the categories of persons who may be granted a license for access to such firearms. There may be separate licenses for hunting, sport shooting (a.k.a. target shooting), self-defense, collecting, and concealed carry, with different sets of requirements, permissions, and responsibilities. Gun laws are often enacted with the intention of reducing the use of small arms in criminal activity, specifying weapons perceived as being capable of inflicting the greatest damage and those most easily concealed, such as handguns and other short-barreled weapons. Persons restricted from legal access to firearms may include those below a certain age or having a criminal record. Firearm licenses...
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      Wenzel (stairjoke@indieweb.social)'s status on Friday, 14-Apr-2023 22:48:12 JST Wenzel Wenzel
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      • wannabe axolotl

      @axolotl @tb Thats what we have our governments for, you know. So we don’t suddenly becomes slaves of anarchic people with guns. And I’m quite happy not being at risk to get shot. COuld you provide a source link for that graphic thouigh, just so the thread is clean.

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      wannabe axolotl (axolotl@kolektiva.social)'s status on Friday, 14-Apr-2023 22:48:13 JST wannabe axolotl wannabe axolotl
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      • Wenzel

      @stairjoke @tb or subject to slavery at any given moment. Yes. Except for the Swiss and everyone who shares a border with Russia apparently.

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      Wenzel (stairjoke@indieweb.social)'s status on Friday, 14-Apr-2023 22:48:14 JST Wenzel Wenzel
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      • wannabe axolotl

      @axolotl @tb so, most Europeans are slaves then?

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      wannabe axolotl (axolotl@kolektiva.social)'s status on Friday, 14-Apr-2023 22:48:15 JST wannabe axolotl wannabe axolotl
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      @tb the problem is going to have guns whether we like it or not. Convince the cops and military to give up their guns and i will willingly give up mine. Until then, "an unarmed people are slaves or are subject to slavery at any given moment"

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      Nico Erfurth (masta@noc.social)'s status on Friday, 14-Apr-2023 22:50:32 JST Nico Erfurth Nico Erfurth
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      • wannabe axolotl
      • Wenzel

      @axolotl @stairjoke @tb Interesting, all the public information I can find speaks about a non-violent movement. Using sticks and stones to drive out the gang members. Taking up arms from the former police and running regulated community patrol today, with strict gun controls in place for anyone else.

      Can you please provide how exactly the ownership of guns led to Cheran becoming a better place? I can't find anything.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cher%C3%A1n
      https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/courage-of-cheran-organizing-against-violence/
      https://phys.org/news/2019-12-mexican-indigenous-town-environmental-revolt.html

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        The courage of Cheran: organizing against violence
        from @openDemocracy
        Mistrust in government systems of rule has led the town of Cherán in Mexico to create its own institutions. The community faces many challenges, not the least of which is the non-violent defence of their people in an area where armed gangs are a constant threat.
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        A Mexican indigenous town's environmental revolt
        When illegal logging turned their green, pine-covered hills into an ecological wasteland, the people of the Mexican indigenous town of Cheran decided to arm themselves with rifles and reclaim their land.
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