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Indie (indie1337@social.vivaldi.net)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 14:00:54 JST Indie
- Vivaldi
Pardon me whilst I go play with @Vivaldi's snapshot that includes Workspaces... ?

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  fu (fu@libranet.de)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 14:00:40 JST fu
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  @jmichaelsturm there's not such thing as an envioementally minded company. Capitalism is by is nature exploitive, many companies market themselves in a way to get envioementally interested consumers to buy their product.
  
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  Mike Sturm :fedora: :python: (jmichaelsturm@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 14:00:41 JST Mike Sturm :fedora: :python:
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  @michel_slm @RL_Dane @benjaminhollon @mike @indie1337 @Vivaldi @gnome @AsahiLinux Agreed. I have a love/hate relationship with Apple. I attribute my passion for computer engineering and my career as a firmware engineer to those early days exploring the Apple II+. They make amazing products. I am frustrated by their closed attitude. You would think an environmentally-minded company like Apple would embrace right-to-repair.
  
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  R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd: (rl_dane@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 14:00:42 JST R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:
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  @benjaminhollon @jmichaelsturm @michel_slm @mike @indie1337 @Vivaldi
  Nobody hates on Apple like an ex-fanboy of 35 years. :P
  
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  Michel Salim :fedora: :debian: (michel_slm@floss.social)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 14:00:42 JST Michel Salim :fedora: :debian:
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  @RL_Dane @benjaminhollon @jmichaelsturm @mike @indie1337 @Vivaldi WebKit is also not fully developed in the open; for instance Apple kept support for the M2 Silicon chips proprietary so if you want to run Linux on it... no WebKit based browser yet which means even the @gnome initial setup is broken on @AsahiLinux right now
  
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  Benjamin Hollon (benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 14:00:43 JST Benjamin Hollon
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  @RL_Dane @jmichaelsturm @michel_slm @mike @indie1337 @Vivaldi
  XD
  Well that's an interesting way to put it.
  
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  Benjamin Hollon (benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 14:00:44 JST Benjamin Hollon
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  @RL_Dane @jmichaelsturm @michel_slm @mike @indie1337 @Vivaldi
  I don't, but Apple's huge control over it and the way they use it to maintain their monopoly really sets me against using it.
  I know I use iOS (for those who don't know, it's a handed-down phone), but I really don't like Apple and plan never to buy one of their products.
  
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  Benjamin Hollon (benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 14:00:44 JST Benjamin Hollon
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  @RL_Dane @jmichaelsturm @michel_slm @mike @indie1337 @Vivaldi
  Part of what makes Apple so frustrating to me is that they really do make spectacular products, but their corporate anticompetitive policies are so terrible.
  
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  R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd: (rl_dane@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 14:00:44 JST R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:
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  Yeah. They're JUST SO BLOODY SMUG ABOUT EVERYTHING.
  "Hurr deer hurr, just buy your mom an iPhone"
  Just go play in traffic, Tim!
  @jmichaelsturm @michel_slm @mike @indie1337 @Vivaldi
  
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  Benjamin Hollon (benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 14:00:46 JST Benjamin Hollon
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  @jmichaelsturm @RL_Dane @michel_slm @mike @indie1337 @Vivaldi
  Honestly I like WebKit less than Chromium. Every single mobile browser on iOS is required to actually use Safari under the hood, giving Apple a monopoly over the space and a stranglehold over what new web features are actually used. Even if every other browser has a feature, you can't use it because the only way for many mobile users to have a working site would be for them to leave Apple.
  
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  R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd: (rl_dane@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 14:00:46 JST R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:
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  Don't blame WebKit for Apple being crappy.
  @jmichaelsturm @michel_slm @mike @indie1337 @Vivaldi
  
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  R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd: (rl_dane@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 14:00:47 JST R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:
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  Yeah, it's a tragedy that the most fully-featured and freest web browser exists off of the crumbs that fall off of GOOG's table.
  (Not saying that it is the most fully featured, or the freest, but the most fully featured && the freest)
  
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  Mike Sturm :fedora: :python: (jmichaelsturm@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 14:00:47 JST Mike Sturm :fedora: :python:
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  @RL_Dane @michel_slm @benjaminhollon @mike @indie1337 @Vivaldi I am admittedly not a web developer, but I don’t understand why WebKit is not mentioned more in these discussions about Blink and Gecko. Is it way behind in terms of features and performance? I would be interested to see Gnome Web (Epiphany?) gain traction as a viable third alternative. Doesn’t Apple use WebKit for Safari? It seems like that already has millions of users.
  
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  Michel Salim :fedora: :debian: (michel_slm@floss.social)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 14:00:48 JST Michel Salim :fedora: :debian:
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  @benjaminhollon @RL_Dane @mike @indie1337 @Vivaldi I still wonder what would have been had Mozilla had the resources to seriously make Gecko easy to embed
  
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  Benjamin Hollon (benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 14:00:49 JST Benjamin Hollon
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  @RL_Dane @mike @indie1337 @Vivaldi
  Yeah, I *want* to use vimb, but there are so many features qutebrowser adds that I'm not sure I could live without.
  At least it does go through the extra filter of being based on qtwebengine rather than pure Chromium.
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  R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd: (rl_dane@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 14:00:50 JST R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:
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  Totally fair. I didn't mean that it doesn't have groovy features. I just meant that I haven't checked it out lest I contribute to Chrome/Blink's ever-growing hegemony.
  I've even avoided using qutebrowser, which is *so* much superior to luakit and vimb, because it's also Chromium-based.
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  R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd: (rl_dane@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 14:00:51 JST R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:
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  @indie1337 @mike @Vivaldi
  Not going to get into a shouting match over browsers, lol (I'm glad you found one you like)
  But isn't Vivaldi just Chrome re-skinned? I mean, I'm sure it's totally brilliant, but I personally would rather not use something derived from Chrome/Blink.
  It's sort of turning into the new Internet Explorer, and I don't want to go back to those days.
  I wish more browsers would use WebKit as their engine. Fast and light, and über-portable.
  
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  Mike Stone (mike@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 14:00:51 JST Mike Stone
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  @RL_Dane Ooof, I don't want to get into a shouting match either, but that's borderline offensive ?.
  Vivaldi is Chromium based, but it's so much more than Chrome. There's built in calendaring, translation, tasks, markdown based notes, rss and mail, etc. I can change the color scheme of my keyboard, mouse, and the room I'm in to match the color of the page I'm on with nothing added.
  Saying Vivaldi is "Chrome re-skinned" is like saying a computer is a reskinned abacus.
  @indie1337 @Vivaldi
  
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  Indie (indie1337@social.vivaldi.net)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 14:00:52 JST Indie
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  @mike Shhh, don't tell @Vivaldi - but I have to use multiple browsers because of different accounts I have to be signed into at the same time.
  
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  R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd: (rl_dane@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 14:00:52 JST R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:
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  That's what's brilliant about Firefox's multi-account containers ?
  @mike @Vivaldi
  
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  Indie (indie1337@social.vivaldi.net)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 14:00:52 JST Indie
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  @RL_Dane @mike @Vivaldi That's what will be brilliant about Vivaldi's Workspaces ;-) Firefox is so bloaty :-P
  
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  Indie (indie1337@social.vivaldi.net)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 14:00:53 JST Indie
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  @mike I am SUUUUUPER excited about this update. I can literally cut out EVERY OTHER BROWSER on my machine save for Vivaldi @Vivaldi
  
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  Mike Stone (mike@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 14:00:53 JST Mike Stone
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  @indie1337 You have OTHER browsers?
  @Vivaldi
  
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  Mike Stone (mike@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 14:00:54 JST Mike Stone
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  @indie1337 Oooo, that looks like fun. I constantly have a boat load of tabs open, and I use stacks and windows and all sorts of things to organize them. Anything that helps corral the chaos is welcome!
  @Vivaldi
  
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