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@NEETzsche @bot @nukie @colonelj thoughts on this and rot.gives?
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@driftwood @nukie @colonelj @NEETzsche @errante @bot @Tij I don't want pedophiles joining my instance, period. Of course there's no way to tell that if they practice basic opsec and don't immediately go on tirades about sex with children, but if they do and I do nothing about that, I shouldn't be much surprised if others start labeling my instance as a harbor for pedophiles. Plant a wind, reap the storm.
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@mint @nukie @colonelj @NEETzsche @errante @bot @Tij i suppose?
my problem with this line of reasoning is that there's really not that big a difference to explicitly prohibiting too, you're positing the existence of a bad actor that doesn't care about the instance regardless
if i put up a sign that says "no grooming", is no grooming happening? personally it just feels to me like people only want the secret pedophiles to join their instance
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@driftwood @nukie @colonelj @NEETzsche @errante @bot @Tij Plausible deniability. It's one thing if the largely unsuspect user gets outed as a pedophile (see g117ch situation), and another when the open chomos from chomo instances migrate to your premises with the same usernames and habits. You do you, of course, but it's only a matter of time until one of them spergs out and starts posting jailbait. That's just an ample warning, I've seen it happen several times in long-gone communities.
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@Tij @NEETzsche @bot @colonelj @errante @nukie quick question, how do you know there aren't pedos on the instance you're on
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@Tij @nukie @colonelj @NEETzsche @errante @bot yeah sure, there are pedos here. i trust those people, as i trust the non-pedophiles, to not harm anyone, based on my personal knowledge of them
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@errante @nukie @colonelj @NEETzsche @bot >anymore pedophiles
so you do recognize the fact that you let pedophiles manifest their degen actions on your instance, well, the ones that catched the train
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@colonelj @nukie @NEETzsche @bot @Tij we are a free speech node but we dont let anymore pedophiles in :akaneshrug:
also lol this is hilarious
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@Tij @NEETzsche @bot @nukie might be a situation where maps join a "free speech" node
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@NEETzsche @nukie @colonelj @bot same, but people seem to be ignoring their degeneracy, just wanted to bring a little bit of light unto it
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@Tij @nukie @colonelj @bot I don't approve of pedoshit.
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kill pedophiles, dropkick pedophiles into a woodchipper, etc. etc.
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@mint @nukie @colonelj @NEETzsche @errante @bot @Tij im not surprised people label my instance that - wrong as that is, seeing that i do filter who enters here - i am discussing why it should matter, on its own, that there are pedophiles here
the whole point is that it's not about actual harm, it's about disgust
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who knows, i said i if i knew you. you can play your semantics game, i wouldn't entertain a conversation about the legality of your existence vis a vis whether a child has been harmed or not. call it theatrics, you're still disgusting.
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@nolasco @NEETzsche @Tij @bot @colonelj @errante @mint @nukie but of course, this is a moot point. you would "work to keep children from being in the same room as me" is a nonsensical statement, it's pure theatrics. how did we get to a scenario where i am going to be in a room with children and you get to decide whether i can be there or not. where are we?
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@nolasco @nukie @colonelj @NEETzsche @errante @mint @bot @Tij to be clear, i do not think clearing the minimum bar of "has not offended" by itself entitles one to whatever they want - just to the basic things you would expect generally from others - i.e, to not be randomly murdered or harassed
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nah i think it's pretty gross to exist and be a certain way. if i met you irl, i wouldn't want to associate with you in any way and would work to prevent any children from being in the same room as you. i would isolate and ostracize you in the hopes you eventually killed yourself or left my area.
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@NEETzsche @nukie @colonelj @errante @mint @bot @Tij i suppose so, if we reduce statements about personal autonomy or freedom to value judgement. which, fine, why not
it's not immoral or degenerate to me to just, be, a certain way
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@driftwood @nukie @colonelj @errante @mint @bot @Tij I mean, that is what it comes down to, does it not? Tell me, how do you sort the good from the bad without making value judgments? You can't.
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@NEETzsche @nukie @colonelj @errante @mint @bot @Tij aha. but it's not immoral to me, and the word "degenerate" is not a term i respect, because it signals to me the other person doesn't have any principles other than "i don't like that and the world should be like i want it to be"
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@driftwood @nukie @colonelj @errante @mint @bot @Tij Well if you get rid of the gross, immoral, degenerate shit you no longer have the gross, immoral, degenerate shit. It's gone. It's like taking the trash out. It stops being your problem.
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@driftwood @nukie @colonelj @errante @mint @bot @Tij What does getting rid of gross, degenerate, immoral stuff accomplish? That seems pretty self-explanatory to me.
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@NEETzsche @nukie @colonelj @errante @mint @bot @Tij it's not to me. explain it
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@NEETzsche @nukie @colonelj @errante @mint @bot @Tij okay, but why? what would that accomplish? i do not actually think that would lead to anyone being safer. again, if pedophiles *inherently* represent a danger to children, what does forcing them into spaces where no one can see what they say do?
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@driftwood @nukie @colonelj @errante @mint @bot @Tij Yes, you should get rid of them. Pedophilia is a taboo worth keeping and enforcing.
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@NEETzsche @nukie @colonelj @errante @mint @bot @Tij okay, we can discuss this
gross i can understand very easily yeah. immoral, on its own? like, being one, even if non offending?
i really would disagree with the notion that people talking about it leads itself to harm. should i push them all to their own secret matrix rooms where they can presumably plan how to cause harm with no public scrutiny?
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@driftwood @nukie @colonelj @errante @mint @bot @Tij Yeah as a matter of fact it is about disgust. That shit is gross, it's immoral, and promoting it leads to harm. Fuck that noise.
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you’re fucking disgusting
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@errante @nolasco @NEETzsche @Tij @bot @colonelj @driftwood @mint @nukie what the hell happened in this thread
everytime I see this guy talk all I see is
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yeah apparently you grew up in a sick fucking place where apparently no one gave a shit if you were diddled. that shouldn't have been tolerated and the adults who failed their responsibility to you at the time are garbage people.
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@nolasco @nukie @colonelj @NEETzsche @driftwood @mint @bot @Tij oh i didnt get diddled, just perved on
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@nolasco @NEETzsche @Tij @bot @colonelj @driftwood @mint @nukie you know, maybe sports coaches shouldnt be allowed to force kids to shower naked in front of them yeh
reporting that it happened didnt do anything either :akarided:
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@nolasco @nukie @colonelj @NEETzsche @driftwood @mint @bot @Tij id start by getting rid of the power structures that enable them. make sure sports coaches arent unmonitored; i have no doubts that mine were pedophiles :v
give priests no alone time with kids but GOD i have no idea how the fuck you'd deal w the billionaires and the royalty who're diddling rn
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how do you deal with the pedophile menace
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@nolasco @nukie @colonelj @NEETzsche @errante @mint @bot @Tij none, i don't find kids attractive
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how many kids have you thought about touching
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yeah you're just describing a honeypot operation, i'm saying full on the values of a society should not tolerate this behavior. if you want to go diddle kids go do it somewhere else, away from the society that has the same values i hold. go find a society that tolerates child diddlers. bad actors are everywhere, people lie. you're not saying anything new you're just saying if i'm outright about killing pedos they won't reveal themselves to me. i'll have a new pedo cockroach infestation brewing up under my feet based on the desirability of the children in my society and then i can only be reactive when they touch them. no fuck off there shouldn't be any tolerance of your bullshit to get you to climb out of the woodworks. especially so. it should be reinforced perpetually that your desires are shameful and you are a garbage human.
a pedophile comes to my town who's gonna know what they are until they try doing some shit. i'm not living in a place that wants to host pro pedo conferences to understand my local pedophile fuck off.
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@nolasco @nukie @colonelj @NEETzsche @errante @mint @bot @Tij
>you're just saying if i'm outright about killing pedos they won't reveal themselves to me. i'll have a new pedo cockroach infestation brewing up under my feet based on the desirability of the children in my society and then i can only be reactive when they touch them
exactly, yeah, and that it's clearly more important to you to feel secure in your moral principles than follow whichever path might lead to less abused kids
you don't think the values of a society should "tolerate this behaviour" - what behaviour? posting online about being a pedo? how much effort should we devote to removing internet access from people who post about that? do you reckon we should pull resources from the departments busting down actual cp sites, or from elsewhere else?
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@nolasco @nukie @colonelj @NEETzsche @errante @mint @bot @Tij my point is that the only reason you know you'd want to keep me away from children is because i talk openly about the things i believe, because you cannot actually do anything to harm me
let's assume a worst case scenario: a pedophile comes to your town. they meet you, the watcher of children, who decides who gets to be in the room with them or not apparently. they hear you talking about how you think pedophiles should be placed into woodchippers. they're intelligent, so they know if they tell you they are one, you might kill them, or at least shun them from the town, and they'd lose their chance to do what they want to do - let's assume that's offend, since you cannot conceive of a person who has self control. congratulations, you have now created a scenario where you only find out about the child-diddler *after* they've touched your children
if you don't actively think people should be instantly ostracised and killed for being a particular way or having some desires, they might be more upfront about it, and you would then be more capable of protecting the children
when you loudly broadcast what someone has to say in order to fly under your radar, it's easy to fly under your radar
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@meso @nukie @colonelj @NEETzsche @bot idk Im not a pedophile
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@Tij @nukie @colonelj @NEETzsche @bot doesnt it mean contact..
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