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   Brion Vibber :blobcatcoffee:​ (brion@bikeshed.vibber.net)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 10:38:43 JST Brion Vibber :blobcatcoffee:​

   • Evan Prodromou

   @evan plane, but I keep eyeing the Amtrak route for when I'm not in a hurry and don't mind taking a couple extra days / having weird start/end times :D

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 10:38:42 JST Evan Prodromou

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     @brion so, I think 1000km gets you to the Bay Area, right? I think that's a 20-hour trip on Amtrak; a pretty close equivalent to driving! But I think it leaves and arrives in the evening.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 10:50:46 JST Evan Prodromou

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     @brion yeah, I was just using this route as the example in my human-computer interface class. I'm doing a project on selecting transportation modes based on real experience like door-to-door times.

     The drive time from SF to Portland is about 15 hours, iirc. While it's possible to do that if you have multiple drivers and can trade off, it's more likely that you'll need to stop for meals and sleep, so I estimated a door-to-door time of 29 hours (15 drive, 8 sleep, 6 meals).

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     Brion Vibber :blobcatcoffee:​ (brion@bikeshed.vibber.net)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 10:50:47 JST Brion Vibber :blobcatcoffee:​

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     • Evan Prodromou

     @evan yep, I do the PDX-SFO and PDX-SNA trips fairly regularly. :)

     The train timings are kinda funky as I recall, yeah, though the total time isn't any worse than driving (unless you drive straight through without sleeping, which I do not recommend!)

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 10:54:31 JST Evan Prodromou

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     @brion flying is about 1.5 hr in the air, but with getting to the airport, check-in, security, then arriving and getting out of the destination airport, I anticipate about 6 hours door-to-door.

     That's still a big advantage over driving or train! It only makes sense if price or carbon footprint are *really* important to you.

     Once you have 3 or 4 people travelling, that 2-day drive starts to look really economical.

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     Brion Vibber :blobcatcoffee:​ (brion@bikeshed.vibber.net)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 11:21:03 JST Brion Vibber :blobcatcoffee:​

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     • Evan Prodromou

     @evan delicious mmmmm, delicious economies of scale (2-4 passengers barely increasing the fuel cost of driving vs 2-4x'ing the ticket cost of flying)

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 11:21:03 JST Evan Prodromou

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     @brion I think it's probably fair to say that while a solo 15-hour drive is kind of a test of your sanity, a 15-hour drive with 3 other people is a *R*O*A*D* *T*R*I*P* wooooooooo