sofia ☮️🏴
i tried on a new walkie #podcast, #WhatsLeftOfPhilosophy. and i knew they were marxist, but damn, i didn't expect them to be that openly authoritarian. and it's just a bit of a mindfuck to dive into their upside-down world.
https://www.patreon.com/posts/77298200
like not only is the USA "too liberal", but also "too weak" of a state. the superpower that could kill, like, 90% of it's 336M subjects in nuclear fire within a few days is "not strong enough".
lainy
sofia ☮️🏴
@lain they still aren't strong enough to have a 50·$/h minimum wage and simultaneously not having mass unemployment, maybe with more cops they could force everyone to have a high playing job ?.
lainy
orekix
sofia ☮️🏴
@lain i still like Philosophize This, which i don't think has a totalitarian or technocratic bent. it may be a little light on antistatism. the Hayek and Nozick episodes come to mind, and i think the only anarchist that got an episode is Throeau?
also sometimes technocrats are driven by good ideas, it's just that the for them 'normal' ways to put ideas into practice are terrible…
nekobit
sofia ☮️🏴
@schalken i do understand the appeal to move beyond wage labour, and i think property would look a lot different if law was made by consent instead of force. but a consensual order means that people can organize in ways i don't like, and it's up to me and like-minded people to prove the value of our ideas.
i don't know what sort of sham-mysteries and pretensions Marx referred to, but the big sham i see is that the state is there to serve people, rather than being a powerseeking parasite.
sofia ☮️🏴
@schalken i try to give marxists the benefit of the doubt, that's also why i said i didn't expect said podcasters to be that authoritarian.
that being said, i don't find what you said very reassuring. like that the first thing you say about state violence is giving potential uses. what does destroying property and wage labour entail? what are you willing to do to people to make them not engage in these things? what would go too far?
schalken
I would kindly ask you not to paint us all with the same brush!
Marxists can defend the necessity the dictatorship of the proletariat, but this is only a use of force for holding down the old oppressing classes as we destroy property and wage labor.
Any marxist worth the name can find no justification for recreating what Marx called the "the whole sham of state-mysteries and state pretensions." As Bordiga said, "we don't want to free the State, we want to put it in chains, and then strangle it"!
Infinitely less is there any justification for the Stalinist states that just defended a new kind of capital accumulation.
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