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   Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 17-Jan-2023 11:44:52 JST Chris Trottier

   What are you all going to do once Google rolls out real-time search of the Fediverse?

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Tuesday, 17-Jan-2023 11:44:51 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Bob Wyman

     @bobwyman what are your thoughts?

     /cc @atomicpoet

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Tuesday, 17-Jan-2023 12:29:14 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Bob Wyman

     @bobwyman @atomicpoet my server isn't indexed! I added the site to the search console, and I added my personal RSS feed as a sitemap. I don't think there's an RSS feed for the local feed ?. Anyway, we'll see soon.

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     Bob Wyman (bobwyman@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 17-Jan-2023 12:29:15 JST Bob Wyman

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     • Evan Prodromou

     @evan @atomicpoet
     Google already indexes much of the Fediverse. Below, you'll find a link to Google results for my own Mastodon handle.

     It seems to me that public indexing of public data is inevitable and that public indexing of ActivityPub data would be a good thing for many applications. (Assuming that AP is more than Mastodon.) I do think, however, that more effort needs to be put into providing mechanisms for non-public, private communications in the Fediverse.

     https://www.google.com/search?q=bobwyman%40mastodon.social

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Tuesday, 17-Jan-2023 12:34:49 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Bob Wyman

     @atomicpoet @bobwyman Mastodon, at least, doesn't seem to provide any of the signals that Google uses for real-time indexing, such as sitemaps or PubSubHubbub (I'm not sure that still works tbh). Anyway, they'll need to add some specific features. I hope it's interesting!

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 17-Jan-2023 12:34:51 JST Chris Trottier

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     • Evan Prodromou
     • Bob Wyman

     @bobwyman @evan Yes, Google indexes the Fediverse.

     However, it's not real-time yet.

     To me, this is not a matter of "if", it's a matter of "when".

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     Julien Genestoux (julien51@mastodon.cloud)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Jan-2023 02:05:27 JST Julien Genestoux

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     • Evan Prodromou
     • Bob Wyman

     @bobwyman @evan @atomicpoet

     PubSubHubbub/Websub still "works" (like HTTP or ActivityPub works :) Any live implementation would be working!

     The hubs hosted by Superfeedr are still up and running and I think the Google one is still and running.

     Now I don't know if any Mastodon instance actually pushes content to them!

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Jan-2023 02:05:27 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Julien Genestoux
     • Bob Wyman

     @Julien51 @bobwyman @atomicpoet I meant, does it "work" for getting feeds indexed by Google in realtime. I don't know if it still does, but maybe nobody bothered to turn it off! https://www.seroundtable.com/pubsubhubbub-google-20515.html

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     Bob Wyman (bobwyman@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Jan-2023 02:05:28 JST Bob Wyman

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     • Evan Prodromou
     • Julien Genestoux

     @evan @atomicpoet
     It appears that PubSubHubbub became WebSub at the W3C. @Julien51 can probably tell us more.

     Something like WebSub, as a service to those who explicitly want their ActivityPub content to be indexed, would be a useful function for a server to provide. Such a system should dramatically reduce the cost of discovery and polling -- which is, of course, why PubSubHubbub was created in the first place as an advance beyond the old FeedMesh.

     https://www.w3.org/TR/websub/