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   Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Monday, 09-Jan-2023 09:50:42 JST Alexandre Oliva

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   • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
   are you familiar with
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor
   ?
   
   have you read about Edward Snowden, Julian Assange, about secret courts in the US that authorize surveillance and operations without democratic control, and without possibility of democratic control because the public are intentionally kept in the dark about them?
   
   this is little different from the imperialistic destabilization, meddling and military operations underway in the middle east (iraq, syria, iran, ...), in ukraine (ever wondered whom you should thank for the ongoing war?), in western europe (downing the plane carrying the Bolivian president over suspicions that Snowden was in it; reopening the fake case against Assange in Sweden; plotting Assange's assassination in Ecuadoran premises; keeping him under torture in max security in the UK); latin america (attempted assassinations and coups against popular leaders in too many countries to mention)
   
   this has been underway since about WWII, when the US played safely for both sides (like Brazil did at a far lesser scale and without as much success, FWIW), and both major parties there are pretty much indistinguishable, especially when it comes to foreign policy, and even when it comes to economy, both wings are right wings there, and left-wing ascent to power in their play ground (latam) is fought ferociously. downplaying or doubting this would signal ignorance of recent history, not critical thinking
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     Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 (rysiek@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 09-Jan-2023 09:50:43 JST Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

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     @jebba I am no fan of US foreign policy, but I am also no fan of nebulous conspiracy theories that stipulate some shady "thems" and suggest that actual foreign policy of a country is not controlled nor controllable by the current administration/government ruling it.

     The reason I am no fan of such conspiracy theories is because they are useless: no explanatory value and no predictive value. It's just an "I want to believe" that intellectually and practically leads nowhere.

     @nf3xn @fifilamoura

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     • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
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     @rysiek @nf3xn @fifilamoura

     The Monroe Doctrine, in sum, is USA domination of South America.

     This also is the truth on the ground. Any country that doesn't subject to the USA is constantly harassed (e.g. Cuba, Venezuela at present).

     So whether the Monroe Doctrine is on state.gov or not, is immaterial. In reality, it is how the foreign policy works.

     As for the oligarchs, they control the politicans. Then the government goes and carries out *their* will, not the will of the public.

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     Jeff Moe (jebba@jebba.moe)'s status on Monday, 09-Jan-2023 09:50:45 JST Jeff Moe

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     • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
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     @rysiek @nf3xn @fifilamoura It is the *de facto* policy of the USA. The USA dominates South America. Any exception will have the screws turned on them until they give in. This all long pre-dates Biden. Even if today he wanted to stop it, it will take a generation to shut down.

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     Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 (rysiek@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 09-Jan-2023 09:50:45 JST Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

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     @jebba wait, so is this this official USA policy (in other words, US *government* policy), or is this some oligarchs doing stuff.

     How can something be "policy of the USA" but not be official policy of the government/administration?

     @nf3xn @fifilamoura

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     Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 (rysiek@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 09-Jan-2023 09:50:46 JST Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

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     @jebba how is this, then, related to Monroe Doctrine that you linked to?

     Monroe Doctrine was a US *foreign policy doctrine*, after all. So you linking to it did suggest you meant, well, US government policy.

     @nf3xn @fifilamoura

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     Jeff Moe (jebba@jebba.moe)'s status on Monday, 09-Jan-2023 09:50:47 JST Jeff Moe

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     • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
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     @rysiek @nf3xn @fifilamoura The same people that have been overthrowing governments in South America for years. Various oligarchs working with security services, is what it often turns out to be.

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     Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 (rysiek@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 09-Jan-2023 09:50:48 JST Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

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     @jebba whose agenda is this, then?

     @nf3xn @fifilamoura

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     Jeff Moe (jebba@jebba.moe)'s status on Monday, 09-Jan-2023 09:50:49 JST Jeff Moe

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     • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
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     @rysiek @nf3xn @fifilamoura People in the US government (including Florida governor, etc, I should add), in particular "security" services, CIA, embassies, etc.

     By the way, I never suggested (earlier, nor now), that this is Biden's agenda.

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     Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 (rysiek@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 09-Jan-2023 09:50:50 JST Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

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     @jebba who is the "they" who are trying to destabilize South America in your opinion, exactly?

     @nf3xn @fifilamoura

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     Jeff Moe (jebba@jebba.moe)'s status on Monday, 09-Jan-2023 09:50:51 JST Jeff Moe

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     • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
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     @rysiek @nf3xn @fifilamoura I don't think they are trying to re-instate Bolsonaro. I do think they keep South America destabilized on purpose.

     Doesn't Bolsonaro sitting in Florida speaks volumes though? Why does he feel he can be there, if not impunity? And why does he have that impunity here?

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     • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
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     @nf3xn @fifilamoura @rysiek He's awfully comfortable launching a coup from USA soil.

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     Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 (rysiek@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 09-Jan-2023 09:50:52 JST Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

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     @jebba wait, so you're saying current US administration is somehow supporting a coup in Brazil that aims to reinstate the guy who was closely aligned with the previous US administration, which in turn tried to perpetrate a coup against the current US administration?

     Am I getting this right?..

     @nf3xn @fifilamoura

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     @jebba @fifilamoura @rysiek

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     • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
     • Fifi Lamoura

     @fifilamoura @rysiek The fact that he's sitting in the USA right now tells you who is supporting this...

     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine

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     Fifi Lamoura (fifilamoura@eldritch.cafe)'s status on Monday, 09-Jan-2023 09:50:55 JST Fifi Lamoura

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     • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

     @rysiek He's in very deep with the globalist fascists, it's for sure shielding himself if things go wrong (he was already fleeing potential prosecution so it's all about avoiding consequences). The police escort means this was an organized coup attempt and I'm sure Bolsonaro knows about it and would happily return as dictator for life (as he was trying to make himself before he was forced out of power). Dictators are cowards so of course he's hedging his bets.

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     Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 (rysiek@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 09-Jan-2023 09:50:56 JST Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

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     @fifilamoura interesting perspective. To me that kind of hedging would signal he's not all-in, not fully committed, not actually believing the coup will succeed.

     Doesn't mean I'm right of course! Thank you for sharing your take.

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     Fifi Lamoura (fifilamoura@eldritch.cafe)'s status on Monday, 09-Jan-2023 09:50:58 JST Fifi Lamoura

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     • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

     @rysiek Well, yes, it would be very important to be outside the country in case the coup fails. I'd say it's a likely reason he is in Florida, to conspire and keep himself safe while his police loyalists and followers attempt a coup.

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     Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 (rysiek@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 09-Jan-2023 09:50:59 JST Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

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     Important to note that it looks like Jair #Bolsonaro is in Florida:
     https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/01/world/americas/bolsonaro-florida-brazil.html

     So this coup attempt might be happening with Bolsonaro out of the country. Which makes me hopeful it will not succeed.

     It would be good to verify that though.

     #Brazil #Brasil

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     Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 (rysiek@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 09-Jan-2023 09:51:00 JST Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

     Jair #Bolsonaro supporters storm #Brazil’s presidential palace and supreme court
     https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/08/jair-bolsonaro-supporters-storm-brazils-presidential-palace-and-supreme-court

     > Extremists have refused to accept Lula’s victory in presidential election last year

     > Hundreds of hardcore supporters of Brazil’s former president Jair Bolsonaro have stormed the country’s congress, presidential palace and supreme court in a stunning security breach that was immediately compared to the 6 January invasion of the US Capitol by followers of Donald Trump in 2021.