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@navi @lanodan We _could_ write a brand new man(1) which reads both mdoc(7) and man(7) but has support for links and reflowing. I'll put it at the end of my TODO list, I might have time in 735 years.

@lanodan @navi I wish man(1) would support things like following references.

@lanodan @navi I see, I'd quite misunderstood the situation.

Inspecting the raw man page for rc-update and sway I see that they are slightly different (being mdoc and man respectively). man(1) doesn't care about the difference and renders both without issues.

mdoc(7) is definitely more readable than man(7). The description for man(7) refers to it as "legacy formatting language for manual pages".

@mirabilos @navi @lanodan

Note sure I'd go as far as call it "lovely", but it's readable if you know the meaning of the macros. I do wish we had something closer to markdown/scdoc that still supported all the semantics of mdoc.

@lanodan @navi Indeed, they are mdoc. If I understand correctly, mdoc is a subset of roff with some additional macros. It's the format into which all man pages are compiled.

See: https://man.openbsd.org/mdoc.7

@navi @lanodan The mention on the list was my own: https://lists.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/public-inbox/%3Ca31b8cd7-079b-4a7f-b6c5-01d90b5bd08f@app.fastmail.com%3E

I tried to produce a patch but failed miserably. A larger refactor is required. If you want to give it a shot, it would be most appreciated!

scdoc is also missing support for Sx, which allows linking to another section in the page (man pagers merely style the link, but HTML renders will insert the appropriate anchors). This one is less important, but nice to have.

What would you use to create high quality man pages?

scdoc and asciidoc don't support cross-references.

I'm kind of starting to see why some authors just write raw troff and commit that, but I'd like something more human-friendly if possible.

@elly But Matrix has VC money and blockchain and all the hype 🚀🚀🚀

Honestly, it's disappointing that so much of the open source community is chasing behind the hype around Matrix.

@martijnbraam Do you really need a full blown toolkit? Can't you use native wayland. Seeing as how that you're already doing the complex part of rendering into a buffer using OpenGL, talking to the compositor directly and creating the toplevel should be much simpler. You only have a few buttons on top of that, right?

@ptrc @lanodan Apparently things changed for offline payments in 2023. Before that, credit cards didn't even work in most non-tourist places. I'm not entirely sure which network they use now. But for online payments, the local bank cards simply don't have a number to use (they have the account's IBAN on it).

@ptrc @lanodan Based on replies, it seems to be a specific Dutch thing. I'm amused that other countries rely purely on the regular Visa / Mastercard credit card network for local payments. Doesn't that result in the transaction fee being charged by an external party?

@lanodan Local bank cards are not usable online in the same way as credit cards. They do not have a 16-digit number that can be used, they are a different network.

It's ridiculous how many EU companies require a credit card to make payments across EU countries.

I have the money already, I can send it NOW from my bank to yours. I don't need to ask for a credit.

These companies expect me to pay an annual fee to obtain a credit card from which I pay them. I then have to deal with the mental overhead of tracking credits that I've taken for these payments.

As a bonus, we pay a small fee to an American company that's behind the whole scheme.

@cas The irony of designing something exclusively for phones and then putting the main controls on the top of the screen.

My reason for using offlineimap is because it supports IMAP IDLE, but its IDLE support has been broken for years, so I use it with IDLE disabled.

#email #askfedi #imap #offlineimap

I don't get the all the fuss about SysV. What's so cool about it? What can it do better than 4.4BSD?

Oldie but still real

@lanodan Minimum monthly is for 800GB, so it's about 20x more expensive for me needs.

I have a few ancient backup files which total around 35GB on AWS S3. It costs about €0.60 per month, but I'm having issues with payments too often, and it's about time that I move this to a more respectable hosting.

Any ideas of hosted services that provide S3, hosted rsync or similar? Every 6 months I check online, but never find anything interesting.

I want a git plugin that shows me dependency changes in Cargo.lock. E.g.:

3 files changed, 32 insertions(+), 75 deletions(-), 7 dependencies removed