Notices by Sammydee (sammydee@universeodon.com)

@feditips @mastodonmigration @ohiorob @supernovae @_dmh It forbids the discussion of THINGS DISCUSSED IN THE MEETING with the public. From the participant's meeting notes it doesn't sound like anything particularly interesting / devious / underhanded was discussed. I'm sure Meta wanted one, just so they could say "hey we're considering how we interact with the Fediverse" or something else equally innocuous. I strongly doubt that in an initial meeting they divulged their plans for world domination or waved around million dollar checks. :) I guess I'll take the word of the person who was actually there over the random fears of those who weren't.

@feditips @mastodonmigration @ohiorob @supernovae @_dmh Having spent the past 45 years in the software industry, I can tell you that your concern over NDAs is overblown. Rampant fear and paranoia over having a conversation under one is not at all justified. Talking is always good.

@mastodonmigration @feditips @ohiorob @supernovae @_dmh Ah, so you HAVEN'T read it.

https://blog.universeodon.com/meta-progress-and-controversy

@feditips @ohiorob @supernovae @mastodonmigration @_dmh Now we're going in circles. Yes, I can stand up an instance. And if I do, and federate with someone you don't like, you'll defederate me. Resulting in multiple fragmented Fediverses instead of one. That's the sad outcome of this weird position ... a small, fragmented, weak place where some folks can talk and others can't. But we've had this discussion before, and folks are starting to repeat themselves, so it's time to go away and think a bit. :)

@feditips @ohiorob @supernovae @mastodonmigration @_dmh I'm saying that those who think "Facebook doesn't support human rights because their moderation tools failed to prevent every single thing that they could have" are taking a very extreme position, yes. Moderation of billions of users isn't as simple as you seem to think it is. :)

@feditips @ohiorob @supernovae @mastodonmigration @_dmh And defederating from instances that don't. :) That's where it goes a step too far, don't you think?

@ohiorob @feditips @supernovae @mastodonmigration @_dmh That's not at all what I meant. I meant that a cascade of snowflake instance owners defederating instances that aren't politically correct enough for their sensibilities would destroy the Fediverse. That would be OUR doing, not Meta's.

@feditips @ohiorob @supernovae @mastodonmigration @_dmh Read SN's blog post ... the 'NDA' issue is a non-issue. So are unsubstantiated 'rumours'.

Since the Fediverse as it is today is indeed a rounding error on Meta's user count it's true that free and open communication between them will be biased towards them initially. That's hardly a reason to exclude their users.

@feditips @ohiorob @supernovae @mastodonmigration @_dmh Nobody - NOBODY - thinks it should, or is, or will - become "dependent" on Meta. Federating with them does not imply dependency.

@W6KME @feditips @ohiorob @supernovae @mastodonmigration @_dmh Except for Meta, who some lobby to leave out. :)

@feditips @ohiorob @supernovae @mastodonmigration @_dmh Yep, and the minute someone does, and you find out it's federated with Meta, you'll defederate it. And the Fediverse dies.

@ohiorob @feditips @supernovae @mastodonmigration @_dmh Yep, this is a deeply flawed place, with instance owners acting like entitled HOA board members - enforcing their personal beliefs to the detriment of their users and openness. It's likely what will make the Fediverse irrelevant to the masses forever, and a niche and very fragmented place forever. :(

@ohiorob @feditips @supernovae @mastodonmigration @_dmh Um, if they "come here" but can't interact with others "here" how are they "here"? Building walls in the Fediverse is a bad plan.

@feditips @supernovae @ohiorob @mastodonmigration @_dmh And so the schism of the Fediverse into two ... the Open Fediverse and the We Only Want To Hear People Who We Like Fediverse ... begins. Sad, this place had a lot of promise.

@ohiorob @feditips @supernovae @mastodonmigration @_dmh And yet in my country "separate but equal is inherently unequal" is a basic belief. Excluding a billion users from the Fediverse because you don't like the company that owns their instance is ... absurd.

@feditips @supernovae @mastodonmigration @_dmh And yet you want to pick and choose which users I can interact with based on your politics. Strange.

@feditips @supernovae @mastodonmigration @_dmh How someone decided to conflate "Meta" and "Genocide" is a level of mental gymnastics that I cannot comprehend.

If the Fediverse is a walled garden where I am locked OUT of communicating with billions of people, the Fediverse is a failure.

Let USERS make choices. Not holier-than-thou activists.

Y'all are becoming what you hate the most, and y'all might want to think on that a bit.

@feditips @supernovae @mastodonmigration @_dmh We all know that all of their billions of customers aren't going to be here any time soon.

Agreed Meta should not control the Fediverse. I can't see any way they can.

Influence? Yawn. Everyone has an influence.

You can't have it both ways. If Meta's users are to be cut off from the Fediverse then the Fediverse isn't a free and open place. Pick one - a new walled garden run by you, or openness. I vote for openness. Federate with everyone, regardless of YOUR politics. :)

@feditips @supernovae @mastodonmigration @_dmh So in your opinion there's no value in seeing what Facebook users post? Or in them seeing what you post? Interesting. We need to be uniting people, not dividing them according to your politics or theirs.