Notices by bhaugen (bhaugen@social.coop), page 8

@mike_hales
Conversations for action can be (and often are) conducted purely by humans, or even more often via email or chat messages. It's a protocol (in the sense of a set of rules for engagement) that can be followed in many ways. If an economic engagement between people and their organizations fits that frame, it will most like use some variation on conversations for action.

@ckohtala @lynnfoster @band

@mike_hales
That all makes sense to me but is more complicated than we will do it.
I'm looking for a document describing the combination of conversational and formatted economic statements that we have in mind, but my new computer can't access it yet, so after breakfast....
@ckohtala @lynnfoster @band

@mike_hales @ckohtala @lynnfoster @band

Ok, got a read link to that document about the combination of conversational and formatted economic statements that we have in mind:
this is the doc: https://cryptpad.fr/pad/#/2/pad/view/64P7o1b-7n8WCppvlhlHoC6xqs6TYqgfuQsE7rrMxn8/

Let me know if you can't access that.

Ok trying again.
@ckohtala @band @mike_hales @lynnfoster

This is a new thread about the human relationships coordinating resource flows in economic networks.

One angle I have observed, back from my work for Choreology around 2000 (this is one of the few signs that it ever existed: http://xml.coverpages.org/CohesionsV10-Announce.html )
is that coordinated networks of all kinds seem to need a coordinator. Somebody who responds to all participants in a decision thread leading to consensus.

@ckohtala @mike_hales @lynnfoster trying yet again to include @band

And to finish that last thought for now, the coordinator role could be very temporary. Could be re-assigned in the midst of a decision thread, if need be. But there was always a coordinator who asked all of the other participants if they agreed or not and announced the decision (or failure to decide).

@ckohtala @mike_hales @lynnfoster @band

One network we have been working with lately is https://www.newyorktextilelab.com/ in the Hudson River valley between New York state and New England. Laura Sansone seen down that page is the coordinator of the network. She and her partner Evan drove around in their pickup hauling wool, yarn, and knitted and woven textiles around the valley from one stage in the textile flows to another.

@ckohtala @mike_hales @lynnfoster @band

The main roles in the network are farmer, wool cleaner, spinner, weaver or knitter, and the garment designer (who is usually the coordinator of all the other processes).

Laura wants to get the other textile designers to coordinate their own flows.

We're helping them to coordinate a software development team to help all that textile coordination to work.

More tomorrow including how the coordination conversations will (probably) work.

@ckohtala @mike_hales @lynnfoster @band

As @oliphant says here https://social.coop/@oliphant@oliphant.social/110833787048897701
"Meetings, discussions, plans, working groups, moderations...this is a whole other job."

@ckohtala @mike_hales @lynnfoster @band

@mike_hales
thanks. I don't mean to lose
@band - and I don't know why it has happened more than once,'

My eyes are getting worse. Got a new eye exam on the schedule so maybe that will help.

@ckohtala @lynnfoster

@band
Can you pass it on or does everybody need to send their own email?

@mike_hales @ckohtala @lynnfoster

Would https://12ft.io/ help jump over any of those paywalls?
This one https://read.dukeupress.edu/common-knowledge/article-abstract/18/3/505/6827/On-NonscalabilityThe-Living-World-Is-Not-Amenable did not offer a link to the pdf.

@mike_hales @ckohtala @lynnfoster @band

@band @mike_hales @lynnfoster
I just added you to the distribution list for future messages in related threads. Will do the same for other volunteers.

@band altho I should warn you that I startted this thread to discuss with @mike_hales and if he is not interested, it may not go anywhere.

@lynnfoster

@mike_hales I'm not in any hurry with this topic. I started by responding to you and then thought maybe I could take it into another dimension.

Do you think you might have time and interest for such a discussion at some more relaxed time, and could you ping me whenever? Or do you think this whole topic is not so compelling for you?

Either way is ok with me.

(I assume Bill is
@band ? Do you two know each other?)
@lynnfoster

@mike_hales something like this http://www.workpractice.com/wpt-fest/ but in Norway? (I did not find the 1994 edition...)
@band @lynnfoster

@mike_hales thanks for all the text, I'll respond to some of your toots tonight and may expand a bit tomorrow.

@mike_hales I re-skimmed some of the Cybersyn material and would like to look next at your criticisms. Have you put them into one or a few places that I could read? I have https://owncube.cloud/index.php/s/YjsepZKafAsjoLt but it would help to know where to focus.

I understand the class criticism, and agree that the "model of the brain" is not a good model for human social-economic organization.

@mike_hales if no pointers in the next hour, I'll start wading into your collection of files after lunch.

@mike_hales that's ok.

Maybe we could have an interesting discussion if we focus on something that we might both want to do that might overlap some with, or glance off of, Cybersym.

Or maybe Cybersyn is not worth discussing anymore...

In my next toot, I'll suggest a somewhat related problem that we might have some fun with. Or not.