Notices by Ian Molton 🇺🇦🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️ (spyro@fosstodon.org)

@kaia whoops...

@kaia ...Mr coffee, with an automatic drip...

@GrapheneOS

I've recently become aware of this war between graphene and e/ OS.

It's not a good look for either side.

What i haven't seen is much in the way of solid evidence.

I can say that neither OS has a website worth shit.

It took ages to work out if e/ supports my phone, and i still haven't figured out if graphene even works outside a small clique of google handsets.

Pull it together both of you. Get along.

Thank fuck Mobian is on the rise is all i can say.

@GrapheneOS @bjb i literally replied into this thread, precisely because it is exactly what you accuse your opponents of.

Stop trashing them with comments like 'insecure is' etc.

Anyone can accused any project of being insecure.

So stop going on about them, and tell us why, in detail, you feel your project is better.

Post your developments, improvements, and findings about YOUR OWN OS.

There are plenty of other actors who will trash e/OS for you, if it's so awful as you claim.

@GrapheneOS @bjb of course i think security patches should timely.

But two projects tearing each other down is not what i want to see.

If what you claimed is true, then simply be the bigger project.

Let the third party sites make the comparisons.

You said earlier that you don't see your project in the same space as e/OS. So why rise to the bait, if that is what you think their project is doing?

@GrapheneOS @bjb

> They're harming GrapheneOS with their inaccurate claims about it and fabricated stories about our team. We're showing them that there will be a cost to them doing it.

Well, speaking as someone watching from the outside (I have an e/OS device, but I'm not affiliated with them, and I'm well aware of it's nature)...

It doesn't look like that is what you are doing. It looks like you are badmouthing another project.

If you want to do as you claim, then you link to

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@GrapheneOS @bjb

their content (or a copy, if it keeps changing / moving), and you use non-inflammatory language to demonstrate the issue.

What you don't do is get into a name-calling match.

Here's the difference:

Wrong:
"e/OS developers are hawking insecure crap and we're oh so much better. And they insulted my mum!"

Right:
"GrapheneOS doesn't suffer from <link to info about a flaw in e/OS> - we've put a lot of effort into this, see <link to description of work> to get it right for users!"

@mischievoustomato @wizzwizz4 @lizzy ew. You win.

@lizzy it has it's uses. It's great for a quick first order guess, but it's so utterly surrounded by problems that i agree. As implemented, it ought to be banned.

They are lying to people about his well it works, and people are so utterly uncritical in their thinking. A recipe for exactly the kind of disaster 'they' want.