Notices by equi (equinox@chaos.social)

@marcan I'm sorry but you're escalating based on your subjective reading of Christoph Hellwig's mail. He has the opinion that Rust is detrimental to maintainability of the project and is acting to be heard. That's "everything he can do to stop this". He is entitled to (only) that.

This is the opposite of sabotage, which would be covertly attempting to hinder or damage R4L while feigning ignorance.

The way to proceed is for consensus or (Linus') fiat to acknowledge and overrule his concerns.

@marcan denouncing Christoph as a saboteur is not helpful, neither is pulling CoC considerations into this discussion. Acknowledge his opinion and plainly ask for it to be overruled once and for all.

Anything else, like calling him a saboteur needs to come with proof of sabotage. And for calling a CoC violation you better point out exactly how and where he's violating the CoC.

You have different styles of communication. That's what this is AFAICS, no more, and no less.

@matt @ariadne (self-plug:) here's how removing a junk drawer libraries looks like: https://github.com/FRRouting/frr/pull/8508

I also think we should maybe move the "modularize and use dlopen() a bit more" slider a bit further out; and maybe there's room there for DX improvement as well (dlopen/dlsym are… clunky…). If the decision to include features can be made by installing packages, Debian doesn't _need_ to do "just the features required", it's the end user doing that with more and smaller packages.

@erincandescent @snowfox indeed CLOCK_TAI works by setting CLOCK_REALTIME plus the (integer) kernel TAI offset…

…but I'm a strong believer in incremental steps and I'd really like to see more software use CLOCK_TAI (as appropriate), and tackle representation of leap-smearing separately (because these things don't block each other)

The thing more concerning to me is filesystem support for TAI timestamps 😩

@benjojo @jeff running a WISP, I can second this. They work but the higher you go in the stack the more likely you are to run into weirdness. Also they're painful on the OAM side due to their... "unique"... CLI and general OS behaviour. Not bad per se, but different from everything else.

bringing up you're involved with running an ISP while playing some online game:

any random game:
"oh cool how does that work" "why does my wifi not work behind 5 walls" "can you fix my router"

EVE Online:
"ah i run a hoster" "oh hey me too want to peer?"

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