Notices by Robert Brandt (dragoner) (robert_brandt@spacey.space)

@glitzersachen @JoshuaACNewman @cstross @nyrath A basic measure of productivity is how much is produced, if that is novels or potatoes, using the example Charlie gave. There are other facets such as quality that are important. Proper management would be Charlie producing all the novels he can, and the agricultural worker producing all the potatoes they can, for a working, sustainable system.

@mattmcirvin @JoshuaACNewman @cstross @nyrath The whole west is full of libertarians, which I think is sort of hyper-individualism. Due to a variety of reasons.

@JoshuaACNewman @mattmcirvin @cstross @nyrath That, and philosophy, such as the "personal relationship with God" vs the more collective Taoist approach. I don't know how or why it started, or even if people are conscious of it.

@JoshuaACNewman @cstross @nyrath Libertarians also tried in New Hampshire and were attacked by bears.

A lot of this is like sitting the squat on the lower east side in the 80's and having discussions about politics over a balantine and crass. Fascism is the politics of failure, it's about forcing ideas on people, usually after the popular will rejects them.

@JoshuaACNewman @cstross @nyrath Meanwhile the squats lasted multi-generations until destroyed by hypercapitalism and rising property values.

Though being a union carpenter I also had it good, as the squats actively vied for tradespeople as members. So rose colored lenses and all that.

@JoshuaACNewman @cstross @nyrath Both a win for collectivism, community. Though like lucky seven's roof started to cave in from their rooftop garden and they put out the call, and bunch of us appeared from other squats, fixed it in a day. Just told them to get us the posts and a case of beer.

@JoshuaACNewman @cstross @nyrath True, and in NYC there were a lot of resources, plus we were rabid recyclers. Though for the second, democray does help, at least to vote out the bad, except they are more to the benefit of those with skills, becoming "worker paradises" for better or worse.