Notices by Theuni (theuni@social.tchncs.de)

@lenzgr @slink Just to make sure I'm not reading the link wrong - we still can get back compatibility (for the time being) if the application leverages the WHEN_REQUIRED setting, right?

@lenzgr @slink Yeah, obviously it's a bit of a bummer for third party implementations, but: it really only bites if people update without any chance of going back and afaict you did implement a switch to turn it off, so ... i don't see the problem ... ?

@Atemu I'll ask him to consider again whether non-SSPL open source licensing could be considered valid. MongoDB did not answer our requests for clarification on this which is also a signal to me that this is intended as a FUD license.

The (A)GPL is much much more limited in that way as it only cares about the code itself and not the surrounding eco system.

@Atemu Hmm. "If you make the functionality of the Program or a modified version available to third parties as a service, you must make the Service Source Code available via network download to everyone at no charge, UNDER THE TERMS OF THIS LICENSE". All of our stuff is open source and I'd love that to be viable for us for the SSPL. However, we're in touch with one of the lawyers analyzing the SSPL language and he came to the same conclusion a while ago. https://www.digitale-nachhaltigkeit.unibe.ch/unibe/portal/fak_naturwis/a_dept_math/c_iinfamath/abt_digital/content/e90973/e1045995/e1046107/e1092040/e1092047/07SimonSchlauriRonzaniSchlauri-SSPL_ger.pdf (Slide 4)...

@tarheel @mawhrin @ocdtrekkie @ariadne @wwahammy @scott @msw -> no, because the requirement is not "be open source", the requirement is "everything from you and everything you use from others has to be SSPL". It's a poison pill. And those kinds of things should IMHO not be allowed from a legal perspective.

@ocdtrekkie @ariadne @wwahammy @scott @msw Nope, all your code of *everything* you use to provide the service has to be SSPL. And nobody can comply with that. This stipulation in the license is a lie.

@schmittlauch @ocdtrekkie @ariadne @wwahammy @scott @msw In another thread at least @Atemu is challenging this interpretation. But I'm not convinced but will double check with our lawyer next week.

@ocdtrekkie @schmittlauch @ariadne @wwahammy @scott @msw @Atemu So the question then would be: can we rely on this holding up or is this now forever in limbo – and why doesn't e.g. MongoDB honorably publish commentary and engage in discussions?

Ok, also die Jugendbahncards der Kinder kann ich nicht einfach mit in meinen Navigator laden. Die glauben also wirklich dass meine Kids mit <10 jeder ein eigenes Telefon für die Navigator App rumschleppen? Oder besser noch: dass ich für jedes Familienmitglied ein eigenes Telefon mit mir rumschleppe? Das ist doch alles olle Bürokratie die die da in Software gießen ...