ocdtrekkie
@theuni @schmittlauch @ariadne @wwahammy @scott @msw @Atemu I think we should replace the OSI with people who aren't equally invested in leaving this license in limbo.
I think it's safe to say Mongo doesn't want to pay their lawyers to provide fuel for Internet arguments if it isn't going to get them anywhere.
James Henstridge
@ocdtrekkie @theuni @schmittlauch @ariadne @wwahammy @scott @msw @Atemu The OSI has not left the license in limbo. https://opensource.org/blog/the-sspl-is-not-an-open-source-license doesn't seem ambiguous at all.
ocdtrekkie
@theuni @schmittlauch @ariadne @wwahammy @scott @msw @Atemu The SSPL authors likely would've clarified it in a 1.1 version if the OSI was willing to meaningfully engage, but the desire to protect their sponsors was too strong. While clarification in the terms would be nice, I don't think there's actually an intention to say open source licensed components would have to be relicensed to meet the license's needs. They were trying to keep the license text as close to AGPL as possible.
Theuni
@ocdtrekkie @schmittlauch @ariadne @wwahammy @scott @msw @Atemu So the question then would be: can we rely on this holding up or is this now forever in limbo – and why doesn't e.g. MongoDB honorably publish commentary and engage in discussions?
Theuni
@schmittlauch @ocdtrekkie @ariadne @wwahammy @scott @msw In another thread at least @Atemu is challenging this interpretation. But I'm not convinced but will double check with our lawyer next week.
Trolli Schmittlauch 🦥
@theuni @ocdtrekkie @ariadne @wwahammy @scott @msw To give a clear example: You cannot re-license the Linux kernel to SSPL. Nobody can. And the authors of the SSPL know that.
ocdtrekkie
@ariadne @wwahammy @scott @msw Saying it's not open source because the Amazon-backed corporate shill outlet says it's not is a tautology. We can fix that by throwing out the OSI.
And a company which releases all of their code under GPL or MIT can use SSPL code for free. It's literally a license that promotes open source.
Theuni
@ocdtrekkie @ariadne @wwahammy @scott @msw Nope, all your code of *everything* you use to provide the service has to be SSPL. And nobody can comply with that. This stipulation in the license is a lie.
Matt "msw" Wilson
@ocdtrekkie @ariadne @wwahammy @scott @msw are you familiar with Software Freedom Conservancy and their position on the SSPL? https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2020/jan/06/copyleft-equality/
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