@owls@simontatham If the customers can bill each other for that properly, ... that might even be kinda okay. although still weird that the vendor is then involved at all.
imo the EU should not subsidize any data centers or such for AI/LLM purposes that aren't either nationalized or owned by cooperatives (and such that these can't be corp-captured: with anti-trust rules against majority members) or non-profits, and in general such that the result isn't a monopoly or oligopol (and if it does turn into one, the ownership of the means of production go back to the EU / funders).
@sj From my perspective, there isn't really anything that differentiates old and young people much in this debate, but there is a differentiator "does the person have to work (no matter if they're currently employed or not, job searching counts as "has to work") in a job market where they'll be forced to interact with AI or its outputs?"
@sj Uhm there are afaik many people in their 20's or 30's which are very anti-AI (at least most of my friends are, and I rarely encounter people older than 40 in my circles), mostly due to climate change concerns and because AI-related stuff furthermore increases economic uncertainty (it is used to justify layoffs and it is often impossible to guess if that's true/genuine or not), while ruining universities.
@sj It's not like one runs out of reasons to dislike AI that quickly, tho most reasons wouldn't apply—or not to the same extent—without the incentives of capitalism. But AI is a catalyst for the worst parts of capitalism, spam, and marketing.
idk something should be done about rural regions everywhere being basically gossipy hell, and as soon as one is part of a sufficient about of minorities, bigots will very quickly make your life awful.
bigger cities are so incredibly relaxed and comfy in comparison, but the housing market sucks there.
there should be some systematic solution to this (even if something along the lines of "expand the 'belts' surrounding cities until everywhere looks like a Voronoi diagram)..
@Oyu_Fka@justsoup In particular, in the context of Open Source, individual people have a lot of trust to lose by trying to hide LLM usage. Additionally, the fear of copyright/license issues keeps many in check.
For proprietary software, the fact that copyright might be unenforcable is just not a concern unless/until the code gets leaked.
@Oyu_Fka@justsoup It goes much further than that. Open source is at least inspectable, and most have a minimum of awareness that they're at least disclosing LLM usage.
Now, even lead maintainers occasionally fall for the LLM-slop-gambling machine.
But I would trust proprietary software even then way less, because checking that for slop is close to impossible, except by guessing upon encountered out-of-the-usual regressions.
@NeonPurpleStar credit card roulette, like putting ones credit card info on a vulnerable system, so albeit not directly publicly accessible, it only takes a relatively small effort to get to it...
@ireneista@lcamtuf I think in this case it would've been possible to properly rewrite hem one by one, but the metric appears to be more a quantity-over-quality "lets get this out of the door quickly", i.e. the incentives weren't placed right.
@NeonPurpleStar anyways, wouldn't surprise me if this development gets France and Germany put under austerity measures (not that those currently fare particularly badly absolutely, but they degraded massively in the past few years). Of course, these don't really work, but it's not like any politician would want to have to fight for more radical (albeit also more effective) measures.
@NeonPurpleStar well... Germany isn't (they just axed a bunch of their renewables and transformation funds). I do hope they're effectively forced to, simply because the alternative would just instantly bankrupt them (the companies who do the most lobbying).
@NeonPurpleStar (besides Germany suffering from relying on energy-intense industry while getting its cheap fuel imports made extremely expensive by wars elsewhere and having no fallback plan that works quickly enough)
@NeonPurpleStar procrastinating solving problems and just using Greek solutions in other EU countries because Greece hit the problems first. (at least, I think that's what's going on in Germany, so it might also apply elsewhere)
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