@lanodan @mirabilos @phnt They can perfectly work on a user level and Veilid has shown a very simple way of ensuring that even for low technical literacy noobs.

Simply build the support for it into the application/program (personally I much prefer pluggable transports but that's right back to noob-unfriendly). A lot of them already conflate "Facebook" (or whatever other brand app) with the Internet or don't understand they're all technically using the same network. So there's no user-facing change (to their understanding) there.

Sure it's more efficient and provides much better anonymization opportunities to have something aware of the global communication state and managing it (Veilid does also support a daemon mode like I2P & Tor do), but it'll still work.

> I don't expect most people to have anything else than dogshit ISPs, even nerds end up with those from time to time.

Got to love anticompetitive practices.

> So no they won't act in good faith, because they already don't.

Indeed.