@incognitum @aven @olmitch i think i've made that joke with some regularity; megacorps "running to the state to be protected from capitalism."

regardless, economic capitalism is 'the factory belongs to some guy," economic socialism is 'the factory belongs to the community,' and economic communism is 'everything is owned by the state.' we have never really seen the middle one, but we have seen the last one in two flavors: by euphemizing an imperial statehood as socialism (the USSR), or just overt imperialism (Feudal Europe.)

There are some things which do not call themselves socialist (they might call themselves syndicalist at times), but are the closest to being owned by the community, which are hackerspaces and worker co-ops.

the sociopaths like to push "socialism" in some crippled form--one that for some reason means "nanny state involved in every aspect of your life" and another where the state (that they control) helpfully owns everything, but that is not for the benefit of the commons, that is just neofeudalists saying shit that sounds cool to consent decree you back in to serfdom.

Peasant revolts tend to fail (The Populist Moment) with a lack of organization and follow-through vs. people who have those things, and we have many examples of people pretending to support such revolts on utilitarian purposes (French revolution, Bolsheviks.)

Thus I don't believe the state consists of people who actively want production to be democratized. They want control over everything and either wear a trench coat about it being socialism (now give it to the state to own) or a trenchcoat about it being capitalism (now for your own safety, only this megacorp is allowed to sell it.)

i am now, though, bored.