@jeffcliff @Godcast as an aside since @NEETzsche mentioned lutheranism, i distrust specifically that branch of christianity because i saw firsthand what it does to people. willing to be proven wrong about it but meh, not getting my hopes up, and your claim about it being heresy sounds not far from the truth anyway, from what little i read and from your sentiments about it. they have this obsolete view that the bible is the end-all-be-all for religious doctrine, lol, talk about lack of future-proofing a religious sect