@rcpierce Countless humans have lived just as terrible lifes, or worse, as Joel, throughout history. Even at this very moment. Is it then morally ok for them to doom humanity to extinction, if that would preserve the one good thing in their lives for a while? Sure, you might argue it does, I might even be inclined to think that that would be the best in the long run. But I still don't think that justifies that kind of mass murder.