@janethemotherfucker @libreleah you realise, most debian users don't want "$better-thing", we're happy with the debian we use, and like it that way, because it does what we want, how we want, plus notions of all debian stable packages being 2+ years out of date is frankly silly, yes at times it has been that long between releases, but most packages are fairly up to date, and get regular security patches, and many debian users will make use of flatpak for apps they want the current version of