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@nerthos

I'm uncertain where you got your impression stated in your last paragraph of your latest reply (regarding the last paragraph in my reply)...

In essence, I stated your point. Russia is using its military-industrial complex to take territory - exactly in the way you describe. Ukraine's M-I complex isn't/wasn't strong enough to be a deterrent to that attack, so Russia did what it did. The US (and NATO, the EU, and other entities) are using their M-I complexes to help Ukraine defend its citizens. This is, in my view, an honorable use of weapons.

In short, from my perspective, and given the information I have on the subject, Russia is doing the evil things, Ukraine, the EU, NATO, the US, and others are doing the Honorable things, using these weapons "of war" to do what they're doing.

If Ukraine has done something to threaten Russia that I don't know about, I blame the news media for not reporting it.

Israel is defending itself from terrorist attacks coming from Palestine - honorable. The collateral damage from Israel's attacks is devestating to non-combatant Palestinians - not honorable. Both are using the products of the M-I complexes of their (and others) country (countries) to root out a terrorist group which has, unfortunately, nearly fully integrated itself into the population of Palestine.

Palestine (and Hamas) were trying to retake lands that were taken from them by the UN back in the 1940s after WW2. They were/are attempting to regain what was taken from them by force.

Both parties' intentions are, in essence, honorable. It's difficult to NOT see that if you take a step back.

I have no issue with a State using its M-I complex to aid an ally, or a country which is being unjustly oppressed. (Ukraine/Russia situation there).. I do have an issue with States (and yes, I see Palestine as a State in and of itself.. not a US State, mind - no orangeman crap here) using their M-I complexes to defend themselves while ignoring collateral losses (what's going on in Palestine now) or to attack purely civilian targets which have no military or defensive value (Hamas' attack on the music festival, or launching mortars/missiles at civilian neighborhoods in Israel).

There is no black/white dividing line here. It's all grey. How dark that grey gets determines the morality of the action. attacking military targets embedded in civilian areas requires surgical strikes, not bombs and explosions - Israel is using its M-I complex the wrong way, there. So is Russia, given the news reports I've seen, which, I'll grant, are slanted towards the "Western" viewer here in the U.S.

So, where do you get that I won't be convinced, when, it seems, we agree on this subject? Or are you just shitposting?

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