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@cmccullough A lot of folks knew PHP when it was a truly terrible language, moved on to better languages, and then missed PHP getting good.

PHP 5.3 (2009) is when PHP started to get good, and it's improved so much since then.

Before 5.3, PHP very much felt like a terrible hack that *knew* it was a terrible hack but was well-maintained and fast anyway because a few important folks made the mistake of putting it into production. With 5.3, it started evolving toward a well-designed language.