@eemmaa @Jonny @deprecated_ii Joe Boxer made the perfect hoodie: thermal lining, deep enough hood (all of these dipass manufacturers nowadays make a hood that the front of your head sticks out of), no bullshit on it, just a black hoodie. I bought three. A chick stole one (it was a fair trade) and I tossed one because it was destroyed and I still have the last one but it is 20 years old and is like a hobo jacket and I only wear it around the house nowadays but the stitching has held together. I have not found a hoodie like that since.