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@adambyte@dragonscave.spaceI'm taking about the mindset of, "We need a state specifically for this group of people," which is the same as what motivates ethnostates.So all national liberation movements wanted ethnostates? Damn, I guess the Algerians shouldn't have fought for their independence from France and kicked the French out to establish their own independent state then.But that's the only perspective I've ever seen it refer to, so I still think it's fair.So if someone, like an Israeli who has lost family to past suicide attacks by Palestinian militants only ever see Palestinian liberation from that perspective, it's fair?

Ignorance, once you learn of it, should not be intentional.I don't know where you got the idea that I think Jewish people shouldn't be allowed to determine their own destiny.Because it seemed like you adamantly refuse to even question the narrative you've come to believe in. Which is effectively a willful distortion of history and therefore willful denial to the Jewish people in Israel that they have exercised their right to self-determination like every other national liberation movement.There are, of course, many Jewish people who also publicly take this position, but again, I've only ever seen them referred to—by both themselves and others—as, "Jewish anti-Zionists."Breaking the Silence is anti-Zionist? Gush Shalom (which is founded by Uri Avnery, who fought for Irgun, and preferred to be called a "post-Zionist" instead of anti)? Standing Together?

Have you actually tried looking at the human rights and peace organizations in Israel and Palestine instead of just limiting yourself to the anti-Zionist orgs in North America?