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@sinbad Thanks - Oids and Thrust are the two games I've tried to slam together.
I was lucky enough to get access to an ST early on, but then had to make do with it for a very long time after. I was still a kid when that SNES turned up at the friend's house, so I'd probably include it as "retro" for me. The PS1/N64 etc. consoles don't feel that way to me though. I'd prob draw my personal line right before textured 3D being the norm (compared to wireframe or filled polys like versions of Elite).