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@liztai I think we are incapable of a nuanced discussion in the West about Free Speech. And I think the detail and the nuance is what matters. We have interesting libel laws in the UK, which restrict what you can say; even the threat of court action can prevent a poor person saying things about a rich person. But some people don't mind that, they mind the state trying to define "hate speech". I can't completely follow all the arguments, but I hear a lot of ignorant sound bites all the time