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@sinbad @gpakosz right I mean ultimately there's just a lot of small things, I don't really have any trouble navigating that stuff so the amount of energy I spend on my Linux machines is significantly less than the amount I spend on my often a pita windows work machine. But if you don't have the broad knowledge it's hard to get yourself into that happy place. I think it's pretty much there in general, but it needs somebody to constantly work on filling the gaps. That used to be Ubuntu.