@alcinnz if we want to err on the side of inclusivity it’s better to assume my award winning home made baked potato soup is in fact a programming language. If we say it’s not, we’re immediately disallowing everyone who creates using my FDA approved award winning home made baked potato soup from calling themselves a “programmer”. And what does that even matter anyway? Are programmers so worried about the title that they have to draw lines in the sand? Big “you’re not a gamer” vibes.