Good on you for climbing out of the hole! And yeah I agree with you on your MGTOW vs incel point, that incels are very much crabs-inna-bucket even if their motivation (or lack thereof) is understandable. In the 00's I was part of some MGTOW forums (which are all dead) and the attitude is more "women exist? okay. too busy with my own thing instead of sinking all my resources into getting my dick wet". MGTOW still haven't been forgiven for this attitude. :animu_laugh2: