@djsumdog
>It wasn't meant to be sarcastic
I did not interpret it as such.

>but it was meant to reflect terrible realities.
So did I.

>and society should do better,
Society can't do better as long as individuals are mental slaves to their own logical fallacies.

>society can't help everyone
In terms of resource I disagree.
In terms of psychology I agree. Some people don't want to be helped, some people can't be helped and some people will be or not be helped by mistake/human error.

>You can only control yourself, not others.
That's one of the point of NVC.

>Words are not violence
Words can be. And more importantly the conscious and unconscious choice of doing so is also as such.

>I'm not budging here
I'm not asking you too. At worst we'll agree to disagree which seems so far to be heading in that direction.

>how the definition is changing in ways it shouldn't.
NVC isn't blaming you for the way you speak, nor is blaming the one who reacts, it's only pointing out that no matter who is doing what it's both parties to choose on what they decide to do.
Turns out we have higher chances of having people expressing their needs and feelings when you don't insult them/use passive violence.
And it also turns out that we have higher chances of having people expressing their needs and feelings when you observe them instead of evaluating them.
It's both parties who is responsible for what they want from each other.

>Neglect isn't violence. It can still be bad.
Neglect can be a form of passive violence.

>Calling speech violence or creating a new definition of "passive violence,"
The concept is as old as Ghandy .
People with ill intentions will always used passive violence to evaluate reality to stir it to their own benefit while neglecting people, thus leading to alienation.

>s how you erode the freedom to speak and the freedom to think
That's only when the goal is to subvert, and not to build bridges of communications.

>I did NOT commit a violence on you.
I did not say that. And I didn't interpret it as such. That's the difference between evaluation and observation.
Evaluation is mixing feeling and needs, observation you will differentiate between the two.

>ut if you're not entitled to it, then what are we talking about?
I think the initial subject was about people paying insurances and that the said paid for insurances denied access to what contracts should have provided customers, since they participated in the financial pool.

>It's bad, but in 1924, would you be better or worse?
>How about 1954?
We currently live in the most alienating timeline of humanity. Most of the populations in developed countries are still propagating passive violence not only from generational/genetic lineage but also the methodologies of subversion that the cold war brought which multiplied greatly the types of passive violence.

>How much of it is really about health care versus not having terrible food supplies that are killing us?
I think both are true. The finance of healthcare should not be for profit, but the people working in it should be able to live decently like anyone.
As for food, I won't cite the industrial revolution and it's consequences as the change of the abnormal human diet started when agriculture started to privilege growing and eating crops instead of raising cattle several thousands of years ago.

> I don't know what the solution is
I there's not definitive solution, but I believe that NVC is best candidate to mitigate the social discord.

>but I tend to side towards personal responsibility (or family/tribe responsibility)
We both agree then.

>over expecting a greater society of government to care about the masses.
I think both is needed to be done.

>A lot to think about for sure
My point of view on almost all of the societal issues is that it's a domino effect caused mainly by passive violence. It's mostly involuntary for people to make things worse as the core of human beings for survival/adaptation is to be good neighbors to each other.
Of course there are sadly exceptions with people born with genetic deceases that goes against what natural selection provided us with and such people can't be helped.