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@futurebird Self sufficiency is dumb but there are huge efficiencies in closing loops - making, using, recycling as close to source as possible. If I have a worm farm, feed household scraps to it, use the worm casts to grow herbs in pots, collect rainwater to water them = dozens of tiny efficiencies - garbage bins, trucks, landfill sites, farmland, cold transport, cold storage, supermarket space, car use, water filtering, chlorine- all tiny, but same goes for so many aspects of life.