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- Embed this notice@Lorgar @Dagnar @FreakSpeely Individualism versus collectivism is a dogmatic meme and I assert that it is fake and gay and also dumb and bad.
In our natural state we are social and individual both, subordinating our desires when they conflict with the collective good, and striving and making our own way when appropriate.
Of course some men are born to be extremists in this regard, like specialists, savants, and mavericks, but even then they engage with the rest of society.