@J @hidden @une @snacks Very interesting shit. I had to go and get high in the mean time (had a productive day damnit it's earned) so I'm not in a great disposition to really argue about this but I'll be thinking about it and maybe I'll have something to say later.

But I do have a couple questions in the meantime...

>Christians have been spending the past 1900 years or so coping; stuck in an impossible situation
Are you saying that christianity, in the formulation passed down to us, was kind of intended as a stop-gap for a short period of time? That kind of... sheds a lot of light on problems I've had with this religion in the past.

>because you'll find that he frequently doesn't meet his own criteria for good
I was under the impression that under christian doctrine god was basically allowed to break his own rules. some people say it's because he's completely above our judgement entirely, others say the stuff he did was justified on moral grounds, or even that the people he punished were "predestined" to be damned (if you wanna give calvinists any creedence-- personally I find them absolutely disgusting).