Phil in SF@elliots @scott Urbanism has at least two major subgroups, transportation urbanists and housing urbanists. Preston has a bad rep (undeserved according to him and his supporters) among housing urbanists. I think it's at least partially deserved, but there's also a good chunk of SF urbanists where police/"good governance" has more weight to them than urbanism. Scott's not wrong in pointing out that they are often fair-weather urbanists.
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