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- Embed this notice@Crux_Invictus @SuperLutheran @Myles I appreciate you not rubbing it in and giving a serious answer. I do think that's correct. The church has compromised with the world for power far too many times in the last few centuries and it's been accelerating since Vatican 2. I pray for the faithful amongst them to hold strong and fight back against wickedness, even if it means "schism". For now, SSPX and Eastern Catholic churches are still an option.