@Hoss @Alex_Fog @istvan @ForbiddenDreamer @TimeSpent If your dad is still in your life, it's possible to make it out okay. I know two dudes who nearly bankrupted themselves for joint custody and both of them said they'd rather throw away all their money and still lose than have that shred of doubt. Their kids are going to be okay. It's bullshit and it makes me emphasize with MGTOW types a lot more. A surprising number of married men with happy families have shared similar thoughts privately with me.