@sun @feld @threat @newt its honestly partially an architectural issue in that regard. telegram has the e2ee and regular chats as seperate, whilst in xmpp they are necessary one and the same with the encryption overlaid and can be mixed freely. the XMPP clients dont do it that great but such sharp a division wouldn't really be too easy or accurate to what your actually doing. i feel like it could be better but the red messages or noticable red locks if somebody sends unencrypted messages when you were encrypted are a pretty reasonable way of doing this. personally i would prefer if there were better controls for the the end to end encryption. there's the obvious issues with like dead users and groupchats and shit, but i mean, if issues do come up and things dont go through or cant send at the very least you could give an actual button to reset the encryption there, change up the private keys, all that good shit, new ratchet. but there's really no way to interact directly on most clients and generally it merely boils down to whether you trust or not a billion different fucking keys a shitty client generates