@amerika @dcc @Deplorable_Degenerate @thegreatape @gnarley_boot @andreas yeah, though i personally would support some level of it to have a (crappy but livable) baseline of life even if these weren't a problem. while traditionally it was less needed because of the societal and family structures, there's always exceptions, abusive families, death, shit like that where say the woman would have to go out early. in a society where woman aren't expected to work thats some pretty undue challenges. while traditional structure is much better than systematic gibs its not an absolute so definitely i'd like there to be some form of options. but yeah something abusable you just coast on without a valid reason is insane. if anything, my personal opinion is that a land value tax should be used to pay for a basic livable income and then all further spending is adjusted based on whats left over. or you could do that land value - taxes and then give whatevers left over but that seems like an easy way to overstep into horrible tax expenditures and give nobody shit