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@VikingChieftain The owners lost their plants eventually. The whole faćade is falling down. I doubt that russia will survive this. China will grab land within a decade, ceceding civil war without jets and troops to crush unrest.

The checen war will look like a holliday in Crimea. Bidens ambition for rusdia not to collapse looks like a folly to me. Even if russia was welcome back internationally their oil and gas industries are collapsing.