@magicalthinking @Humpleupagus Letting the state have a say in marriage is cringe. Get married, be married, live dedicated to who you are married to, just don't involve the state. Needing a paper to tell you that your married is stupid. Marriage existed before the state. As far as my faith is concerned marriage is a covenant between God, man, and women.

> Love somebody enough to dedicate your life to them.
> "lets have the jews add some funny rules and conditions with paper"
> ends in disaster

Marriage is the problem?