@sickburnbro @Snidely_Whiplash @Starprophet1 @chainsaw_appreciator @matty @TrevorGoodchild Sure, I agree that there are different groups there. I agree, it is useful to point out that there are different groups there. I have not argued otherwise, any impression otherwise that you got is from Snidely putting words into my mouth.

What I am saying is that usually - and especially in this particular case - we can just call the two different groups of people by a name that describes them.