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Then I don't understand the fundamental argument.

I thought you were arguing against anarchy and in favor of monarchy because "anarchy's a mess" and "Anarchy is nice when you have a little island with a few dozen to a few hundred people on it.", with the conversation leading one to conclude that the reason for this is due to a lack of leader(ship).

But now we've come full circle and agree that leaders need not be of the State.

So it's not an argument against Anarchy?