@arcana @icedquinn @Ailunarenth @hyolo @naaksit those men are both perpetrators and victims, they are preyed on by people selling "systems". It's not women's job to tolerate or correct men that get on the "pua" train but basically I have seen as many "why does this never work for me?" lumped in with highly selfish and maladjusted people. I am sorry to say it but a small portion of the criticism is correct. a lot of the disgust is the same old sexual shaming that some women have always done where low quality men have to be punished for trying to have life fulfillment like everyone else.