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- Embed this noticeSpeaking for myself (whatever that's worth) I think it's tragic because the bad things are very bad. The catholics I know in real life don't like this stuff, they disagree with it, etc. and it's a deeply unfortunate thing to see happen. On the other hand, I would push back against the while "revel" thing, but I think there are people who should see things like this and be humbled by it. Whether it's the right thing to feel or not, there is a bit of catharsis that comes with something like that- watching the e-trad chatacumens twist themselves in knots of pilpul to justify how something like 'fiducia supplicans' is actually super based and trad and so on while avoiding how bad something like that looks on face value. From an outside perspective, there's this kind of sense where every time something comes out of Rome there's a feeling of "three steps back, two steps forward"